simple question.
forex_trader_28881
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Jun 03, 2014 at 13:05
(已編輯Jun 03, 2014 at 13:08)
He'd be stupid to. And quite frankly to inexperienced to even risk it if is suggested by him.
It's all about the risk. No one really minds losing $1k, hell of a lot of people would mind losing $100k.
How much do you need to live? 15% on 1k can't feed you, 5% on a $100k very much can. So you don't risk it for 15% the difference is sitting at home or losing all you're savings and starting over.
Take the $1k and let him trade it till it's a billion or he wipes out. When it's doubled take out the first $1k and from there on it's risk free till eternity.
$100k you put very serious limits on what can be and can't be risked. Unless it's a really small percentage of your NET worth.
It's all about the risk. No one really minds losing $1k, hell of a lot of people would mind losing $100k.
How much do you need to live? 15% on 1k can't feed you, 5% on a $100k very much can. So you don't risk it for 15% the difference is sitting at home or losing all you're savings and starting over.
Take the $1k and let him trade it till it's a billion or he wipes out. When it's doubled take out the first $1k and from there on it's risk free till eternity.
$100k you put very serious limits on what can be and can't be risked. Unless it's a really small percentage of your NET worth.
Jun 19, 2014 at 16:05
(已編輯Jun 19, 2014 at 16:06)
i suposed u answers if orders entries and exits are the same with a mini account than a big or regular account, well it depends of ratio of profit looses , but if that ratio is tiny yeah can be differences. Also with same brokers, same money accounts, same automated strategies there differences sometimes...
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forex_trader_25447
會員從Dec 21, 2010開始
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Jun 19, 2014 at 17:01
(已編輯Jun 19, 2014 at 17:03)
For a good EA, there is no problem with money , it is extremely humans problem.
15% are always 15% , regardless on how much.
It is other question, that 15% per month is too much to be safe.
For my EA 5% per month sounds normal.
15% are always 15% , regardless on how much.
It is other question, that 15% per month is too much to be safe.
For my EA 5% per month sounds normal.
Jun 21, 2014 at 10:31
(已編輯Jun 21, 2014 at 10:33)
TheCyclist posted:
He'd be stupid to. And quite frankly to inexperienced to even risk it if is suggested by him.
It's all about the risk. No one really minds losing $1k, hell of a lot of people would mind losing $100k.
How much do you need to live? 15% on 1k can't feed you, 5% on a $100k very much can. So you don't risk it for 15% the difference is sitting at home or losing all you're savings and starting over.
Take the $1k and let him trade it till it's a billion or he wipes out. When it's doubled take out the first $1k and from there on it's risk free till eternity.
$100k you put very serious limits on what can be and can't be risked. Unless it's a really small percentage of your NET worth.
You assume that he wouldn't use stop loss?
15 % / month doesn't seem too much to me.
With 100k account my monthly goal would be around 50%. If your strategy and your skills allow you to reach this goal, why shouldn't you go for it?
Even if 5% is enough for you to live from, why not make more if you can and accumulate some wealth?
Even if you trade aggressively but
* you identify and trade only on signals with high winning probability (more than 70% of your trades are wins)
* you strictly limit your losses
* you successfully try to make more profit with winning trades than you make losses (proper R/R ratio)
... hardly anything could go wrong IMHO :)
k4y
Jun 21, 2014 at 17:33
Sawood121 posted:
If one can make 15 % /month on a $1000 investment, can he make 15% if he/she is trading with a investment of $100000?
My answer is : yes
because it is percentage of risk used according to different factors considered by the trader, regardless the capital of the account. But I consider the balance 100000 K should make at least 25 % to 45 % a month with safe strategy. In other words 15 % a month from balance of 100000 K, you can make it easily .
Cheers
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Jun 22, 2014 at 06:39
Sawood121 posted:my answer is no.
If one can make 15 % /month on a $1000 investment, can he make 15% if he/she is trading with a investment of $100000?
1000usd and 100000usd are different amount and different risk. to trade 1000usd is easy.... but to trade 100000usd... our feeling is not same as 1000usd...
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Jun 22, 2014 at 08:48
mdnetworkfx posted:Sawood121 posted:my answer is no.
If one can make 15 % /month on a $1000 investment, can he make 15% if he/she is trading with a investment of $100000?
1000usd and 100000usd are different amount and different risk. to trade 1000usd is easy.... but to trade 100000usd... our feeling is not same as 1000usd...
I disagree with you 100 %
I do not mean you are wrong , or you are not good trader, not at all
I believe it is your view according to your life experience.
My answer again is yes yes yessssssssssssssss
very simple,
It is from my life experience,
I personally do this for more the 9 years , I trade on MAM master account, under this master account, their are several accounts for several clients, the smallest account balance is usd 1,100.00 and the biggest account balance is usd 137,000.00 and their are some different accounts in between with different balances of course.
Total balance of the master account is above usd 340,000.00
When I place a trade on the master account for example with lot 15.00 (standard lot ) the master account itself distributes the risk on every sub account according to the balance of each sub account.
The risk of the each trade is pre set to 2 % of any account balance
So, when I make profit from any trade 2 % of the trade, it is distributed automatically to 2 % of every sub account balance.
End of the month, the profit is equal to all accounts according to every balance in the account.
When the profit in the master account end of the month is 19 %
It means by end of the month, the profit of every sub account is 19 % a month
It means the account balance of usd 1,100.00 made profit of 19 % this month.
And also the account balance of usd 137,000.00 made the same percentage of 19 % a month.
I do this for more than 9 years with no problem
I hope this clear now
Wish all the best to all traders
Jun 22, 2014 at 10:05
(已編輯Jun 22, 2014 at 10:05)
mdnetworkfx posted:Sawood121 posted:my answer is no.
If one can make 15 % /month on a $1000 investment, can he make 15% if he/she is trading with a investment of $100000?
1000usd and 100000usd are different amount and different risk. to trade 1000usd is easy.... but to trade 100000usd... our feeling is not same as 1000usd...
Says who? The rich guy or the poor guy? :)
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Jun 22, 2014 at 10:36
Professionals trade with low leverage low return, investment security comes first, end of. Retail Amateurs and mid range traders leverage and strive for returns. I wonder who is right...😎
Get rich or just die
Jun 22, 2014 at 12:19
KayS posted:mdnetworkfx posted:Sawood121 posted:my answer is no.
If one can make 15 % /month on a $1000 investment, can he make 15% if he/she is trading with a investment of $100000?
1000usd and 100000usd are different amount and different risk. to trade 1000usd is easy.... but to trade 100000usd... our feeling is not same as 1000usd...
Says who? The rich guy or the poor guy? :)
I explained everything from what I do
anyone can agree with me, anyone can disagree with me
no more comments frm me about this topic
I am a full time trader, my time is very valuble,
Thank you for all
Jun 22, 2014 at 12:25
(已編輯Jun 22, 2014 at 12:28)
makeitrain posted:
Professionals trade with low leverage low return, investment security comes first, end of. Retail Amateurs and mid range traders leverage and strive for returns. I wonder who is right...😎
Your monthly return does not necessarily depend on your amount of risk. It depends on the overall quality of your strategy, your skill level and on many factors like quality of your signals (win-probability), frequency of trades, optimal placement of stops etc.
You can have low risk per trade and high investment security and still achieve relatively high returns.
Unfortunately most people have a wrong way of thinking and tend to restrict themselfes in their abilities and in what they are able to achieve.
I believe, that is why we got the famous 99% poor folks versus only 1% super rich in the world.
The OP's question whether 15% / month is too much for a 100k account is a stupid question actually and any simple answer 'yes' or 'no' is stupid as well, if no further information is given about the skills of the trader and the profitability of his strategy.
Jun 22, 2014 at 12:33
nadanadya posted:KayS posted:mdnetworkfx posted:Sawood121 posted:my answer is no.
If one can make 15 % /month on a $1000 investment, can he make 15% if he/she is trading with a investment of $100000?
1000usd and 100000usd are different amount and different risk. to trade 1000usd is easy.... but to trade 100000usd... our feeling is not same as 1000usd...
Says who? The rich guy or the poor guy? :)
I explained everything from what I do
anyone can agree with me, anyone can disagree with me
no more comments frm me about this topic
I am a full time trader, my time is very valuble,
Thank you for all
nadanadya, my dear, I don't disagree with you at all! It seems we have a quite similar philosophy :)
Probably quoted a wrong post?
Jun 22, 2014 at 14:49
KayS posted:'Your monthly return does not necessarily depend on your amount of risk. It depends on the overall quality of your strategy, your skill level and on many factors like quality of your signals (win-probability), frequency of trades, optimal placement of stops etc'. I'm strongly agreed may your absolutely right 😎makeitrain posted:
Professionals trade with low leverage low return, investment security comes first, end of. Retail Amateurs and mid range traders leverage and strive for returns. I wonder who is right...😎
Your monthly return does not necessarily depend on your amount of risk. It depends on the overall quality of your strategy, your skill level and on many factors like quality of your signals (win-probability), frequency of trades, optimal placement of stops etc.
You can have low risk per trade and high investment security and still achieve relatively high returns.
Unfortunately most people have a wrong way of thinking and tend to restrict themselfes in their abilities and in what they are able to achieve.
I believe, that is why we got the famous 99% poor folks versus only 1% super rich in the world.
The OP's question whether 15% / month is too much for a 100k account is a stupid question actually and any simple answer 'yes' or 'no' is stupid as well, if no further information is given about the skills of the trader and the profitability of his strategy.
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Jun 22, 2014 at 17:28
nadanadya posted:KayS posted:mdnetworkfx posted:Sawood121 posted:my answer is no.
If one can make 15 % /month on a $1000 investment, can he make 15% if he/she is trading with a investment of $100000?
1000usd and 100000usd are different amount and different risk. to trade 1000usd is easy.... but to trade 100000usd... our feeling is not same as 1000usd...
Says who? The rich guy or the poor guy? :)
I explained everything from what I do
anyone can agree with me, anyone can disagree with me
no more comments frm me about this topic
I am a full time trader, my time is very valuble,
Thank you for all
Market is closed 😱
Get rich or just die
forex_trader_43716
會員從Aug 06, 2011開始
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Jul 13, 2014 at 00:27
My answer is : yes
because it is percentage of risk used according to different factors considered by the trader, regardless the capital of the account. But I consider the balance 100000 K should make at least 25 % to 45 % a month with safe strategy. In other words 15 % a month from balance of 100000 K, you can make it easily .
Cheers
Absolutely agree! 15% is 15% regardless of capital. But...the big difference between a $1,000 and $100,000 account is our emotions...that's the killer! 😎
forex_trader_43716
會員從Aug 06, 2011開始
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Jul 13, 2014 at 22:52
Sawood121 posted:
damn i wish i was a robot with no emotions while trading.
If only! That's why money management is so important...perhaps more important than market analysis! Good money management and a poor strategy can be profitable, but a good strategy with poor money management will ultimately fail. Why? Because good money management gives you specifics on which to act, which eliminates indecision, and goes a very long way to removing the emotions that prompt us to move our stops, take profits way too soon, and jump into some trades that, in hindsight, make absolutely no sense at all. 😎
Jul 14, 2014 at 07:56
Sawood121 posted:
If one can make 15 % /month on a $1000 investment, can he make 15% if he/she is trading with a investment of $100000?
Of course,
it would work even better as large investors has better conditions than us.
On the other hand the psychological aspect of possibility to loose 100k could influence the trader
So it is better to use EA or someone you trust.
