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會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 24, 2012 at 03:10
(已編輯Aug 24, 2012 at 03:14)
duzyfx posted:statarbpro posted:
Retail traders must be getting scammed a lot these days. I don't get grilled this hard from hedge funds.
if you sell to 100 ppl then you get 30k
if 1000 then you get 300k
most people bring to the market highly optimized EAs that stop working a month or so after the release
like the saying goes - if you really have a good system why can't you bet your house, credit cards, your friends money etc on it ?
why are you trying to make money by selling it ? The rule of the thumb is if you sell 1000 copies you make 300k
those 1000 copies could create such an influence in the market that the strategy won't work anymore since the order will be noticed and taken care of by the market...
to be honest you'd have to be a saint to offer a system that lasts ... and we know people are not saints
I do trade this for myself. I trade this for family. I also trade it for multiple institutions. And to think that 1000 or even 10,000 retail FX traders could skew the market is nonsense. First the market is decentralized. Secondly the liquidity is vast. Central banks haven't been able to corner the market for long. Lastly most brokers run a B Book. That liquidity is infinite as the broker is taking on the risk. But even if we were all trading at the same times, the average position size taken by a retail trader wouldn't make a pip's difference even if we all took the same trades.
But you're a skeptic and that's fine. Check in in a couple of months, or a year. I'll still be here. This is my 11th year trading professionally. I don't know how to do anything else.
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 24, 2012 at 03:11
duzyfx posted:statarbpro posted:
... marketplace is rife with folks with less than honorable intentions.
I bet there are many that have honorable intentions but it's not enough! It's a zero sum game. Big players always win.
People do succeed at this. The first step to success to trading or in anything in life is first believing that it is possible.
forex_trader_88782
會員從Aug 22, 2012開始
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Aug 24, 2012 at 13:07
Hi Statarbpro.
How to get a ride a your system ?
Why not trying is this that expensive a month ? I can't see fees on site for now (new to site) but im gonna look for it.
Questions : How much $ should one have, using the same % of risk your strategy takes or maybe using half risk on a trade to be cautious. to still make a cash whilst still paying the monthly fees.
We can't know results for in futurer so it may be not easy to answer but let's talk about anverage monthly gain.
I diidn't know such strategies existed and that they worked. Or kept highly secret, thanks if unveiled for us.
How to get a ride a your system ?
Why not trying is this that expensive a month ? I can't see fees on site for now (new to site) but im gonna look for it.
Questions : How much $ should one have, using the same % of risk your strategy takes or maybe using half risk on a trade to be cautious. to still make a cash whilst still paying the monthly fees.
We can't know results for in futurer so it may be not easy to answer but let's talk about anverage monthly gain.
I diidn't know such strategies existed and that they worked. Or kept highly secret, thanks if unveiled for us.
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 24, 2012 at 13:09
(已編輯Aug 24, 2012 at 13:09)
duzyfx posted:
anyways how is this EA sold ? a couple days ago I've seen a rental offer for 1 year for a few under $500 and another offer for either $1k or $2k (can't remember). Now I see the promo for $297.
So is the EA rented or bought ? Is the EA relying on an external server for signals (eg: signal copier) or does it work on it's own ?
What minimum leverage is necessary ? How many minimum pairs are necessary ?
For the first month the EA will be sold @ $297. You will own it.
All of the order logic resides within the EA. The only thing that is not a part of the EA is the actual picking algorithm which is hosted in a private cloud pushed by 7 HP Proliant servers. Simply put the average PC doesn't have the computing power to run the picking algorithm. The algo picks the arbs and the EA then begins to watch them for entries and exits based on your settings and the pairs available at your brokerage. Everything from entry to exit happens on your computer.
The minimum leverage necessary is 50:1, but the EA's money management is based on 10:1. The algo tracks 56 pairs, but half, or 25+ pairs should work fine.
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 24, 2012 at 13:15
stevewalker posted:
in this kind of systems; means corrolated paris trades Back test means nothing.
becouse system expects all traded corolated pairs react like did before.
surly it is not possible. whlie one curr is not reacting like past how we can expect 2 or 3 or more react same as past.
no way......
How do you trade then? I mean what is trading if not finding an exploitable, repeating pattern and trading it? Saying that pairs never act like they did in the past would assume that the random walk theory is the way of the markets. It would negate every form of technical analysis. Trendlines, Support and Resistance levels, and every trend following method would not work. Even fundamentals wouldn't play into a position traders methodology is price never reacted like it did in the past with any degree of accuracy.
I suppose what I'm saying is if there are no repeating patterns in the market, why not just flip a coin and enter trades at random, because based on your statement that's the only way to trade. I looked at your profile and you have a few systems running. Are they not based on the idea that there are repeating patterns in the market?
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 24, 2012 at 13:15
Hailkay posted:
Hi Statarbpro.
How to get a ride a your system ?
Why not trying is this that expensive a month ? I can't see fees on site for now (new to site) but im gonna look for it.
Questions : How much $ should one have, using the same % of risk your strategy takes or maybe using half risk on a trade to be cautious. to still make a cash whilst still paying the monthly fees.
We can't know results for in futurer so it may be not easy to answer but let's talk about anverage monthly gain.
I diidn't know such strategies existed and that they worked. Or kept highly secret, thanks if unveiled for us.
It's all at https://www.statarb.pro
forex_trader_88782
會員從Aug 22, 2012開始
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Aug 24, 2012 at 16:03
Statarbpro.
Could you asses 80/90%+ accuracy that it's profitable ?
Ur website is common. Godd information. But ive seen scam on it. And real products.
All i wanna know is : Can you tell me right now it can be profitable if i let it run with a NDD broker, FXCM, 3 pips spread average euro. A VPS.
No complicated settings to do.
It's likely 80+ to work. No wipeout account if your settings are respected ?
Can you clearly asses that
Could you asses 80/90%+ accuracy that it's profitable ?
Ur website is common. Godd information. But ive seen scam on it. And real products.
All i wanna know is : Can you tell me right now it can be profitable if i let it run with a NDD broker, FXCM, 3 pips spread average euro. A VPS.
No complicated settings to do.
It's likely 80+ to work. No wipeout account if your settings are respected ?
Can you clearly asses that
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 24, 2012 at 22:44
We only track pairs that are historically 80% or greater in profitability, but in practice it's more like 70%.
And yes, I can, without a doubt, that it's easy to set up and if you adhere to the money management parameters, that you'll be profitable.
That said, this isn't a get rich overnight kind of EA. This is definitely a get rich over years EA.
And yes, I can, without a doubt, that it's easy to set up and if you adhere to the money management parameters, that you'll be profitable.
That said, this isn't a get rich overnight kind of EA. This is definitely a get rich over years EA.
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 25, 2012 at 21:14
Since so many people asked for this we put up a page just with brokers and their minimum position sizes: https://www.statarb.pro/brokerage-guide/
Please note: This is not an endorsement of any brokerage. This list is for information only and if you select a brokerage from the list, the due diligence requirements are your responsibility.
Please note: This is not an endorsement of any brokerage. This list is for information only and if you select a brokerage from the list, the due diligence requirements are your responsibility.
forex_trader_28881
會員從Feb 07, 2011開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 00:37
(已編輯Aug 26, 2012 at 00:52)
And you do realise you can't do a Statarb using two pairs as you are in fact creating a synthetic pair?
EurUsd vs GbpUsd is in fact EurGpb and so forth. To do what you're claiming you are doing you'd have to trade baskets against each other. Not pairs. Say a Eur basket vs a Usd basket which is tadaaaaaa...EurUsd.
Capiche....?!
EurUsd vs GbpUsd is in fact EurGpb and so forth. To do what you're claiming you are doing you'd have to trade baskets against each other. Not pairs. Say a Eur basket vs a Usd basket which is tadaaaaaa...EurUsd.
Capiche....?!
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 01:15
(已編輯Aug 26, 2012 at 01:41)
TheCyclist posted:
That is a supremely crap website. Screams internet marketer. Why someone who has $500k will try flog EA's for $300 is also a mystery.
Well not really. I wouldn't touch this with a barge pole.
TheCyclist posted:
And you do realise you can't do a Statarb using two pairs as you are in fact creating a synthetic pair?
EurUsd vs GbpUsd is in fact EurGpb and so forth. To do what you're claiming you are doing you'd have to trade baskets against each other. Not pairs. Say a Eur basket vs a Usd basket which is tadaaaaaa...EurUsd.
Capiche....?!
Posts like this are born of ignorance. You're the typical guy with a million posts who obviously knows it all. You're obviously frustrated as well and I feel for you. I was in your shoes many years ago. This isn't an easy market to trade.
Almost every post of yours on Myfxbook is inflammatory and derogatory. You talk down to everyone like you're the chosen one. I wouldn't expect a post in this thread to be any different I suppose, but your signature says 'show me your pips' so I feel obligated to show you about 21 THOUSAND doing what you say can't be done or I'm wrong in doing.
The next time you decide to come here and want to debate the merits of Statistical Arbitrage (which can be done either in baskets or pair against pair), come with something more substantial than name calling. Oh, and if you can, back it up with results. I mean, I took the time to read a few of your posts. You talk a LOT, but can you trade? Do you have a system that works?
Time to come with the results or be forever relegated to the 'just another guy talking smack' crowd.
I'm a pretty nice, down-to-earth guy, but when someone comes here, posts nonsense that is based entirely on ignorance with the intention of nothing more than starting trouble and questions my integrity... I'm sorry dude. Put up or shut up.
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forex_trader_28881
會員從Feb 07, 2011開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 01:47
(已編輯Aug 26, 2012 at 02:07)
Ya I can trade. API none the less. Not a MT jockey.
So which bit I said about the statarb was wrong? You need to trade pairs to do it. Fx is a pair already!
Pips of course mean nothing. You should know that.
I don't buy a word you're saying. I think you're a web marketer.
And my posts are derogatory as I mostly go after the most obvious con's, half of which was two guys called Bruce and Zero under different id's.
One of them did jail time for cheque fraud while the other lost over $100 000 of clients funds. But that was ok because 'it wasn't his money'...
So ya, I tend to be derogatory. Especially when I see something like this, a guy with a $250 000 trading account selling $300 Ea's? Who doesn't seem to understand that you can't do a statarb using instruments that are already pairs?
C'mon man...
So which bit I said about the statarb was wrong? You need to trade pairs to do it. Fx is a pair already!
Pips of course mean nothing. You should know that.
I don't buy a word you're saying. I think you're a web marketer.
And my posts are derogatory as I mostly go after the most obvious con's, half of which was two guys called Bruce and Zero under different id's.
One of them did jail time for cheque fraud while the other lost over $100 000 of clients funds. But that was ok because 'it wasn't his money'...
So ya, I tend to be derogatory. Especially when I see something like this, a guy with a $250 000 trading account selling $300 Ea's? Who doesn't seem to understand that you can't do a statarb using instruments that are already pairs?
C'mon man...
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 02:20
(已編輯Aug 26, 2012 at 02:49)
Let me see? You cannot do Statistical Arbitrage with forex pairs? That's what you're saying? Because I've kind of made a career out of it.
What is statistical arbitrage if not the comparison of two or more timeseries (or in this case price series) with high correlation or cointergration and high covariance and trading them long and short after they have breached a level that is beyond statistical norms?
I could arb coconuts and the Q's provided the timeseries passed muster and I could normalize the positions for deposit currency. A PAIR of price series is what's needed. Doesn't matter if it's a currency pair or a stock.
As far as my financial status and the price of the EA, how many retail traders would I get it out to, to help if I sold it for $500K a pop? Or as a FIX black box ( yeah.. API trader too). The answer is very few.
This is FOR the 'MT Jockeys' as you so derogatorily called them. This is FOR retail traders to use. The price and the platform are catering to those people.
What is statistical arbitrage if not the comparison of two or more timeseries (or in this case price series) with high correlation or cointergration and high covariance and trading them long and short after they have breached a level that is beyond statistical norms?
I could arb coconuts and the Q's provided the timeseries passed muster and I could normalize the positions for deposit currency. A PAIR of price series is what's needed. Doesn't matter if it's a currency pair or a stock.
As far as my financial status and the price of the EA, how many retail traders would I get it out to, to help if I sold it for $500K a pop? Or as a FIX black box ( yeah.. API trader too). The answer is very few.
This is FOR the 'MT Jockeys' as you so derogatorily called them. This is FOR retail traders to use. The price and the platform are catering to those people.
forex_trader_28881
會員從Feb 07, 2011開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 02:59
Yes you can't, if you're trading pairs against each other you're creating synthetic pairs, which in turn will have a single data series. Which of course you can then go set against another synthetic data series. The possibilities are endless aren't they?
Can save yourself half the spread by just trading the actual pair you're creating.
And I've been a MT jockey for decades myself, much to my irritation.
I just don't see someone with a large account selling Ea's. Period. Especially not with a purpose built web marketing site like that.
Doesn't help to pull the I'm helping people card. You're not. If you want to help people give it away. Your account is big enough, you don't need the money...
Can save yourself half the spread by just trading the actual pair you're creating.
And I've been a MT jockey for decades myself, much to my irritation.
I just don't see someone with a large account selling Ea's. Period. Especially not with a purpose built web marketing site like that.
Doesn't help to pull the I'm helping people card. You're not. If you want to help people give it away. Your account is big enough, you don't need the money...
forex_trader_28881
會員從Feb 07, 2011開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 03:00
(已編輯Aug 26, 2012 at 03:06)
I'm surprised you don't throw in something free if I buy in the next half hour...
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 03:31
(已編輯Aug 26, 2012 at 04:01)
TheCyclist posted:
Yes you can't, if you're trading pairs against each other you're creating synthetic pairs, which in turn will have a single data series. Which of course you can then go set against another synthetic data series. The possibilities are endless aren't they?
Can save yourself half the spread by just trading the actual pair you're creating.
And I've been a MT jockey for decades myself, much to my irritation.
I just don't see someone with a large account selling Ea's. Period. Especially not with a purpose built web marketing site like that.
Doesn't help to pull the I'm helping people card. You're not. If you want to help people give it away. Your account is big enough, you don't need the money...
1) Create a synthetic out of the CADCHF USDMXN (that's actually one that's produced great results in the past 24months). I dare you to make that into one data series. You see, not every arb opportunity has a cross. Take 56 currency pairs. Now pair them up and take all 1500 (1540 if memory serves?) permutations of them. Less than 10% have crosses that are available to the average trader or that have liquidity in any tradeable amount. Your arb opportunities would be severely limited.
2) Of course I had a 'marketing site' built. I had a product to market. I don't see where the crime is in that. I also don't see what makes it a 'scam.'
3) I could give it away, you're right. I have costs associated with it and a lot of time invested in it therefore I chose not to. Again I'm not seeing a crime in that either nor anything that makes it a 'scam.' I think people should be fiscally rewarded for hard work. Plus, something of value is seldom free.
TheCyclist posted:
But carry on McDuff. I vote scam.
I'm surprised you don't throw in something free if I buy in the next half hour...
I would ask you to never come back to this thread :) but do pop in in a month, 6 months, or a year and really.. no hard feelings, but at if any point you're a convert and can see that what I'm doing is actually of value, stop in and say hello.
I get that a lot of folks get sold on marketing rather than performance. I get your skepticism, but I stand by my claim. The performance has been there, is there now and will be there well into the future.
Again, all the best.
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 03:55
(已編輯Aug 26, 2012 at 03:58)
And with this, I'll leave it as I really do find arguing over the internet silly and a bit pointless. Here are 2 successful arbs closed out this week. Pay attention to the first arb pair. The EURDKK GBPCAD registered as a good opportunity and you can see that a) it was successful and b) that there is no cross rate or synthetic pair to trade in this instance.
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forex_trader_79941
會員從Jun 06, 2012開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 08:30
you can shows pips with Loss in balance. this shows nothing. positive Pips + posıtıve Balance shows the profibility.
I will wait and see.
good luck.
walker
I will wait and see.
good luck.
walker
statarbpro posted:TheCyclist posted:
That is a supremely crap website. Screams internet marketer. Why someone who has $500k will try flog EA's for $300 is also a mystery.
Well not really. I wouldn't touch this with a barge pole.TheCyclist posted:
And you do realise you can't do a Statarb using two pairs as you are in fact creating a synthetic pair?
EurUsd vs GbpUsd is in fact EurGpb and so forth. To do what you're claiming you are doing you'd have to trade baskets against each other. Not pairs. Say a Eur basket vs a Usd basket which is tadaaaaaa...EurUsd.
Capiche....?!
Posts like this are born of ignorance. You're the typical guy with a million posts who obviously knows it all. You're obviously frustrated as well and I feel for you. I was in your shoes many years ago. This isn't an easy market to trade.
Almost every post of yours on Myfxbook is inflammatory and derogatory. You talk down to everyone like you're the chosen one. I wouldn't expect a post in this thread to be any different I suppose, but your signature says 'show me your pips' so I feel obligated to show you about 21 THOUSAND doing what you say can't be done or I'm wrong in doing.
The next time you decide to come here and want to debate the merits of Statistical Arbitrage (which can be done either in baskets or pair against pair), come with something more substantial than name calling. Oh, and if you can, back it up with results. I mean, I took the time to read a few of your posts. You talk a LOT, but can you trade? Do you have a system that works?
Time to come with the results or be forever relegated to the 'just another guy talking smack' crowd.
I'm a pretty nice, down-to-earth guy, but when someone comes here, posts nonsense that is based entirely on ignorance with the intention of nothing more than starting trouble and questions my integrity... I'm sorry dude. Put up or shut up.
會員從Jun 11, 2012開始
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Aug 26, 2012 at 13:38
(已編輯Aug 26, 2012 at 14:00)
stevewalker posted:
you can shows pips with Loss in balance. this shows nothing. positive Pips + posıtıve Balance shows the profibility.
I will wait and see.
good luck.
walker
Seriously? I'm convinced that people just don't pay attention or post here just with the intention of starting trouble. Stevewalker, you yourself posted this screenshot a few pages ago which if you look down a bit it clearly shows both 21,000+ pips and a 53% gain.
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