Arbatov System (By Arbatov)
Lietotājs ir dzēsis šo sistēmu.
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Aug 31, 2010 at 16:47
Arbatov posted:
Уважаемые господа.
Как правильно подметил, Alex, никто не может постоянно торговать в прибыль. Убытки бывают тоже. Данная просадка, является системной. Я собираюсь работать, так как и работал. В плане работы, выход из просадки.
Я никому лично никогда не обещал, что сделаю 10000%. Или миллионером за 1-2 месяца. Обещают обычно только мошенники. Когда меня спрашивали, на какую можно расчитывать прибыль в месяц, я всегда отвечал, что я не пророк.
И может в место прибыли, быть убыток.
Извиняюсь, что пишу на русском языке. Но пишу, потому, чтоб не перекручивали мой плохой английский.
С уважением, Арбатов.
Однако, в чем конкретно вы видите причины такого дня ? Спасибо заранее за ваш ответ.
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Aug 31, 2010 at 16:51
Извините. Но я писал ранее, что систему не обсуждаю, не под каким видом.
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Aug 31, 2010 at 22:15
wow....buena caida ¡¡¡¡
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Sep 01, 2010 at 02:20
I don't see any trades for 8/30 - 8/31 did you not trade those days?
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Sep 01, 2010 at 02:27
msetai posted:See more closely. At me all is visible. 30 and 31 I traded.
I don't see any trades for 8/30 - 8/31 did you not trade those days?
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Sep 01, 2010 at 07:05
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Soliton posted:
Hi - it the best account - Very very impressive
Good luck
As I said earlier (before this bigger loss) that in my opinion this account did not seem to me the best choice if I was to choose a system from here. I said earlier, that the reason was that there is only couple of months results, so cannot say much yet about long term trading. Also it looked that he is using very big stop losses, which now appeared to be true.
Let me analyze this system:
According to results so far on this system, I do not see them good results (at least yet). Here are the reasons:
1) Way too short period to make any judgements (only couple of months trading)
2) Looking at stats I can see that his average winner is +33 pips and biggest loser is -237pips. This does not look like a good risk reward (at least for the current history/data). What if he gets next another two or three -200 losers in a row! Oh, it cannot happen.. :) --- are you sure? The only way we could try to say it cannot happen, would be like doing 10 years historical test for this system to be sure these -200 losers do not come often. But we have only couple of months testing results... so that is a problem.
If he gets couple of more -200 losers in a row, this would be very bad system. This is the problem with big stop losses: there is a potential to huge losers.
At the moment he has +3770% profit with -38% drawdown. Because the drawdown is so big, we have to half the profits, so his real success is acout 2000% profit (with -20% drawdown). The result is still ok so far even with the big loss, but the problem is, like said at point 2), that we do not know how many big losses he is going to get in the near future.
Needs to see much more future results/bactesting before I would trust on this system...
ps. I am not trying to judge him/his system... I hope it goes well for him. Just saying that there is no strong evidence so far that this is a good system.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 09:36
I don't think he uses stops. The reason he hides his trades is he does not want to show all his losing positions for this would turn many people off from investing with him. Still a great return even with the big loss, but long term sucess trading this way is uncertain.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 09:48
@ russter : Arbatov shows his equity which is 100% so he can't have open any position at the moment.
Less is more.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 09:54
He hides his positions because he takes so few trades, it would be easy to copy his trading methods. I think this was discussed early on in the thread.
He already stated that he uses between 5-20% of his equity so a large loss was going to happen at some stage. This is high risk trading. So, if you are planning to invest make sure it's only a small part of your portfolio.
He already stated that he uses between 5-20% of his equity so a large loss was going to happen at some stage. This is high risk trading. So, if you are planning to invest make sure it's only a small part of your portfolio.
11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 10:12
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stevetrade posted:
OKay, I have to ask.
You've made 24 trades in total, so you aren't opening lots of trades.
Today you have made 600% on your account with 180 pips.
If that is just one trade, then even risking 10% of your account on the trade you must have used a 3 pip stop loss to gain 600%.
Maybe my sums are wrong but I'm interested to know how you achieved it.
Systems is a scam , his broker is private. It is a BackwardsGhanistan broker somewhere in Bulgaria with a hacked copy of MT4 server edition. The trades are edited on an Excel spread sheet, it is a fabrication. Any PAMM account will be with this broker fronting here as a trader, you will lose your money which the broker will keep.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 10:14
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stevetrade posted:You of all people should realize that his broker is private meaning it is a fabricated account by the broker themselves fronting here as a trader.
He hides his positions because he takes so few trades, it would be easy to copy his trading methods. I think this was discussed early on in the thread.
He already stated that he uses between 5-20% of his equity so a large loss was going to happen at some stage. This is high risk trading. So, if you are planning to invest make sure it's only a small part of your portfolio.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 10:17
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aladar posted:
@ russter : Arbatov shows his equity which is 100% so he can't have open any position at the moment.
Yes when the pain is too great, the trades must be closed. On Aug. 31 he closed out 3 trades for -657 pips. He is not using stops and letting bad trades run and taking 40 or 50 pips on profitable trades. You must have a very high sucess rate to make this work over the long term.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 10:18
Stephanus, you really need to read the whole thread.
His broker is InstaForex. People have already used his services and successfully withdrawn from the PAMM account.
His broker is InstaForex. People have already used his services and successfully withdrawn from the PAMM account.
11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 10:22
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stephanusR posted:This does not make sense. If the account is fabricated, why show -657 pips loss on Aug. 31?
You of all people should realize that his broker is private meaning it is a fabricated account by the broker themselves fronting here as a trader.
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Sep 01, 2010 at 11:33
Let the man do his job. It's hard enough just to trade this uncertain market. We all have to accept that it's normal to lose sometimes. That's the nature of this game, isn't it? No one can keep winning all the time. Let's face it!
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Sep 01, 2010 at 11:40
winnie_the_roo posted:
Let the man do his job. It's hard enough just to trade this uncertain market. We all have to accept that it's normal to lose sometimes. That's the nature of this game, isn't it? No one can keep winning all the time. Let's face it!
OK, but he has a money management problem, drawdown is too high...
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Sep 01, 2010 at 13:33
He already mentioned he will risk 5 - 20% per trade.
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Sep 02, 2010 at 03:53
well, if you want big gain, take big risk. forex is about risk. if his system is accurate its ok to loose once in awhile. but the big loss is indeed abit too huge, its not easy for him to gain in back... 'TOUCHWOOD' lets hope its not the start of a loosing streak.
Also looks like his system doesnt perform well on ranging market.
Also looks like his system doesnt perform well on ranging market.
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Sep 02, 2010 at 05:37
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stevetrade posted:
Stephanus, you really need to read the whole thread.
His broker is InstaForex. People have already used his services and successfully withdrawn from the PAMM account.
Why is his broker then marked as private? Indeed the thread is very long, if the broker is private one usually assumes it some cracked copy of MT4 server edition somewhere in Russian basement. Don't forget that even Alpari at one time uploaded fake statements with 220 out of 223 winners, which is impossible. FDXX for example 'won' their own competition at the very end with 5 winning trades in a row for 1000% which is impossible. They edited their servers . The motive for this is easy to see, myfxbook has lots of views, it generates free advertisement to the detriment of myfxbook.com All myfxbook.com can do is verify what the server tells it, it can't determine whether the broker themselves are uploading trading hallucinations.
If the perception starts that the brokers themselves are now gaming myfxbook.com then the purpose of this site becomes pointless.
FXCM for example are fabricating 800% winners each moth for their king of the microlot contest, not a single of these 'winners' have posted on any forex forum anywhere, it generates the illusion that somebody is making money. Virtually nobody is making money on forex over a 5year period, only a few people.
Those people who have withdrawn money, where is their statements? What amounts were invested. If you read carefully he accepts from $100. Why would one waste your time with $100 investment.
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Sep 02, 2010 at 06:43
Stephanus, those are some accusations.
If you can back them up with any proof I would be interested to see it.
If you can back them up with any proof I would be interested to see it.
11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature.
