5% average monthly profit for at least 2 years (with less than 25% max. DD)
Oct 20, 2015 at 18:07
(edytowane Oct 20, 2015 at 18:08)
FxMasterGuru posted:zarni posted:
'Trade history is hidden... How would I know that XAU is traded..???'
then don't make assumptions. you think i'd be dumb enough to trade my own funds 250k worth on martingale??
Anyway if you knew anything about myfxbook bugs you would know. but since you don't you make bogus comments with no backing.
'In general: positive profits with pip loss = MartiGrid'
Um no .....and obviously you proved my point. but i give up explaining things to you.
OK, then. You are the 'Master of the Unviverse'... 'King of the World'... the 'Materialized Wisdom'... the 'Best of the Best'!
Happy...????
it's not about ego my friend. you seem to equate everything to that. when you are successful ego is irrelevant.
just be more careful with accusations based on nothing in future as it may come back to bite you in the end.
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4862 postów
Oct 20, 2015 at 18:25
zarni posted:
Here is as you requested a live account with 2 years history which exceeds your criteria.
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/zarni/3232866/1402173
I have many of these but most are not MT4 enabled so no way for me to easily publish verified statement.
So you can end this discussion.
Your performance is very interesting. The system is unlike the other system so dont expect much understanding from other persons. Be it martingale so what, it does deliver the profit with low DD.
Oct 20, 2015 at 18:32
togr posted:zarni posted:
Here is as you requested a live account with 2 years history which exceeds your criteria.
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/zarni/3232866/1402173
I have many of these but most are not MT4 enabled so no way for me to easily publish verified statement.
So you can end this discussion.
Your performance is very interesting. The system is unlike the other system so dont expect much understanding from other persons. Be it martingale so what, it does deliver the profit with low DD.
if you read through the thread here you would understand why i waste my time here. this guy makes accusations and allegations with no regard for facts. when it comes to reputation that is not something i compromise on.
Uczestnik z Oct 14, 2015
3 postów
Oct 21, 2015 at 06:07
Most hide the relevant information(open trades, history of trades, etc) that would expose their EA as a Martingale which finally blows up.... but till it blows up, it will look to good to be true. If I see equity curves without regular drawbacks that show the effect of a functioning money management most likely this is just nonsense or fake. The cumulated losses are just hidden and not yet realized till they get margin called.
I saw a lot of myfxbook accounts where performance does not correlate with real price data....! Yes....take your time to verify it. The price date behind the listed trades is not correct..... Either they found a way to manipulate it to get nice trading account statements to lure customers or it is a glitch of myfxbook that they exploit.
100000 USD invested in a system with +5% per month would grow an account to over 12 billion USD within 20 years (240 month), when the monthly gain is reinvested for the following month.
Everybody undercapitalized and working with leverage to even have the slightest chance for relevant profits will surely loose because in a zero sum game the one with the biggest capital has a significant edge.
A system might work for a certain amount of time, but it will create patterns an other system can detect and use to trade against it. So each successful system must by logic make itself worthless over time if it is static and follow fix rules.
Broker spread and fees will always eat away a substantial part of your profit and in the long run the one which get its fees for sure will win with a 100% certainty.
I saw a lot of myfxbook accounts where performance does not correlate with real price data....! Yes....take your time to verify it. The price date behind the listed trades is not correct..... Either they found a way to manipulate it to get nice trading account statements to lure customers or it is a glitch of myfxbook that they exploit.
100000 USD invested in a system with +5% per month would grow an account to over 12 billion USD within 20 years (240 month), when the monthly gain is reinvested for the following month.
Everybody undercapitalized and working with leverage to even have the slightest chance for relevant profits will surely loose because in a zero sum game the one with the biggest capital has a significant edge.
A system might work for a certain amount of time, but it will create patterns an other system can detect and use to trade against it. So each successful system must by logic make itself worthless over time if it is static and follow fix rules.
Broker spread and fees will always eat away a substantial part of your profit and in the long run the one which get its fees for sure will win with a 100% certainty.
Uczestnik z May 04, 2012
1608 postów
Oct 21, 2015 at 07:22
zarni posted:FxMasterGuru posted:zarni posted:
'Trade history is hidden... How would I know that XAU is traded..???'
then don't make assumptions. you think i'd be dumb enough to trade my own funds 250k worth on martingale??
Anyway if you knew anything about myfxbook bugs you would know. but since you don't you make bogus comments with no backing.
'In general: positive profits with pip loss = MartiGrid'
Um no .....and obviously you proved my point. but i give up explaining things to you.
OK, then. You are the 'Master of the Unviverse'... 'King of the World'... the 'Materialized Wisdom'... the 'Best of the Best'!
Happy...????
it's not about ego my friend. you seem to equate everything to that. when you are successful ego is irrelevant.
just be more careful with accusations based on nothing in future as it may come back to bite you in the end.
For me what you show here IS a MARTIGRID (based on negative pips with plus profits) UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
That it is. Like it or not...
It is your turn to prove that it were NOT a MartiGrid. Reveal trade history... Prove that you trade on a 250k account.
In other words: WALK THE TALK!!
P.S. I am not your 'friend'... Probably you have already noticed that...
Please click "Vouch" if you liked my post. If not, just put me on your Blocked list. :o)
Uczestnik z May 04, 2012
1608 postów
Oct 21, 2015 at 07:51
FFxCondor posted:FxMasterGuru posted:
Trade history is hidden... How would I know that XAU is traded..???
Click on the Summary tab beside trades in advanced statistics!
Thanks!
Please click "Vouch" if you liked my post. If not, just put me on your Blocked list. :o)
Oct 21, 2015 at 09:49
FxMasterGuru posted:
Nice MARTINGALE. No doubt... But we all know what is the future of Martingales....
Profit this year: +121%
Pip profit this year: -19303.20 pips
It seems that people in general have been misled to think that martingales are ultimately bad. I think it can be a powerful tool in a strategy, if correctly used by a down to earth trader who knows what he's doing. As the use of a knife can improve your life, it could end it up, if the knife was in the hands of a psycho!
If a martingale technique associated with a good MM gives you 100% a year profit with a 5% max DD, so what!?
Rome wasn't built in a day
Oct 21, 2015 at 16:00
(edytowane Oct 21, 2015 at 16:01)
FFxCondor posted:FxMasterGuru posted:
Nice MARTINGALE. No doubt... But we all know what is the future of Martingales....
Profit this year: +121%
Pip profit this year: -19303.20 pips
It seems that people in general have been misled to think that martingales are ultimately bad. I think it can be a powerful tool in a strategy, if correctly used by a down to earth trader who knows what he's doing. As the use of a knife can improve your life, it could end it up, if the knife was in the hands of a psycho!
If a martingale technique associated with a good MM gives you 100% a year profit with a 5% max DD, so what!?
if you average in using multiple small positions and lose on that and then trade one big position equal in size to the aggregate small ones and win much more you will show negative pip count. which is what happened to me. XAU magnifies that because of the way myfxbook treats XAU (which they are fixing now based on my suggestions). nothing to do with martingale.
Oct 21, 2015 at 17:22
(edytowane Oct 21, 2015 at 17:22)
FxMasterGuru posted:zarni posted:FxMasterGuru posted:zarni posted:
'Trade history is hidden... How would I know that XAU is traded..???'
then don't make assumptions. you think i'd be dumb enough to trade my own funds 250k worth on martingale??
Anyway if you knew anything about myfxbook bugs you would know. but since you don't you make bogus comments with no backing.
'In general: positive profits with pip loss = MartiGrid'
Um no .....and obviously you proved my point. but i give up explaining things to you.
OK, then. You are the 'Master of the Unviverse'... 'King of the World'... the 'Materialized Wisdom'... the 'Best of the Best'!
Happy...????
it's not about ego my friend. you seem to equate everything to that. when you are successful ego is irrelevant.
just be more careful with accusations based on nothing in future as it may come back to bite you in the end.
For me what you show here IS a MARTIGRID (based on negative pips with plus profits) UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
That it is. Like it or not...
It is your turn to prove that it were NOT a MartiGrid. Reveal trade history... Prove that you trade on a 250k account.
In other words: WALK THE TALK!!
P.S. I am not your 'friend'... Probably you have already noticed that...
'friend' if you did not notice was used sarcastically but i guess most things go over your head. i am quite aware you are not and do not need friends like these.
if i reveal the trade history will you make an official apology?
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4862 postów
Oct 21, 2015 at 18:17
zarni posted:FxMasterGuru posted:zarni posted:FxMasterGuru posted:zarni posted:
'Trade history is hidden... How would I know that XAU is traded..???'
then don't make assumptions. you think i'd be dumb enough to trade my own funds 250k worth on martingale??
Anyway if you knew anything about myfxbook bugs you would know. but since you don't you make bogus comments with no backing.
'In general: positive profits with pip loss = MartiGrid'
Um no .....and obviously you proved my point. but i give up explaining things to you.
OK, then. You are the 'Master of the Unviverse'... 'King of the World'... the 'Materialized Wisdom'... the 'Best of the Best'!
Happy...????
it's not about ego my friend. you seem to equate everything to that. when you are successful ego is irrelevant.
just be more careful with accusations based on nothing in future as it may come back to bite you in the end.
For me what you show here IS a MARTIGRID (based on negative pips with plus profits) UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
That it is. Like it or not...
It is your turn to prove that it were NOT a MartiGrid. Reveal trade history... Prove that you trade on a 250k account.
In other words: WALK THE TALK!!
P.S. I am not your 'friend'... Probably you have already noticed that...
'friend' if you did not notice was used sarcastically but i guess most things go over your head. i am quite aware you are not and do not need friends like these.
if i reveal the trade history will you make an official apology?
That could be actually very interesting ;)
Oct 22, 2015 at 05:55
zarni posted:
if you average in using multiple small positions and lose on that and then trade one big position equal in size to the aggregate small ones and win much more you will show negative pip count. which is what happened to me. XAU magnifies that because of the way myfxbook treats XAU (which they are fixing now based on my suggestions). nothing to do with martingale.
Actually what you do is the definition of a martingale technique, which is adding to a losing position and increasing the size of the previous trades.
Rome wasn't built in a day
Uczestnik z May 04, 2012
1608 postów
Oct 22, 2015 at 09:26
(edytowane Oct 22, 2015 at 09:43)
FFxCondor posted:zarni posted:
if you average in using multiple small positions and lose on that and then trade one big position equal in size to the aggregate small ones and win much more you will show negative pip count. which is what happened to me. XAU magnifies that because of the way myfxbook treats XAU (which they are fixing now based on my suggestions). nothing to do with martingale.
Actually what you do is the definition of a martingale technique, which is adding to a losing position and increasing the size of the previous trades.
Well said. Apparently and admittedly it IS a MARTIGRID strategy... ('average in using multiple small positions and lose on that and then trade one BIG position...')
As suspected... Cost averaging, i.e. adding to losing positions even larger position(s) IS MARTIGRID by definition and it is a very risky business. It is good until it is not good...
Just look at VONTOGR's, alias Tomas' famous (or infamous) Caesar strategy. It was a Superstar until the moment it has become a Falling Star, costing many-many people a lot of money by losing their funds, plus the generous fees paid to Mr. Tomas. And it was not even MartiGrid, 'just' a simple Grid.
No SERIOUS investor would consider a MARTIGRID strategy suitable for SERIOUS funds. Period.
@zarni
After admitting 'cost averaging' with larger and larger position sizes, i.e. using MARTIGRID, I don't care about Trade History. And nobody else should care about it. You said: 'you think i'd be dumb enough to trade my own funds 250k worth on martingale??'
Well, yes, apparently you are dumb enough doing just that.
Actually after lying about the nature of the strategy (i.e. not being MARTIGRID) and 'lecturing' me about the opposite, YOU should be the one coming with a HUGE APOLOGY.
If not, then F*CK OFF! PLEASE...
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Oct 22, 2015 at 09:45
(edytowane Oct 22, 2015 at 09:59)
FxMasterGuru posted:FFxCondor posted:zarni posted:
if you average in using multiple small positions and lose on that and then trade one big position equal in size to the aggregate small ones and win much more you will show negative pip count. which is what happened to me. XAU magnifies that because of the way myfxbook treats XAU (which they are fixing now based on my suggestions). nothing to do with martingale.
Actually what you do is the definition of a martingale technique, which is adding to a losing position and increasing the size of the previous trades.
Well said. Apparently and admittedly it IS a MARTIGRID strategy... As suspected... Cost averaging, i.e. adding to losing positions even larger positions IS MARTIGRID and it is a very risky business. It is good until it is not good...
Just look at VONTOGR's, alias Tomas' famous (or infamous) Caesar strategy. It was a Superstar until the moment it has become a Falling Star, costing many-many people a lot of money by losing their funds, plus the generous fees paid to Mr. Tomas.
No SERIOUS investor would consider a MARTIGRID strategy suitable for SERIOUS funds. Period.
@zarni
After admitting 'cost averaging' with larger and larger position sizes, I don't care about Trade History. And nobody else should care about it. You said: 'you think i'd be dumb enough to trade my own funds 250k worth on martingale??'
Well, yes, apparently you are dumb enough doing just that.
Actually after lying about the nature of the strategy (i.e. not being MARTIGRID) and 'lecturing' me about the opposite, YOU should be the one coming with a HUGE APOLOGY.
If not, then F*CK OFF! PLEASE...
wow you are a moron arent' you. where did i say i average in 'larger'. actually it was smaller and smaller. it's called averaging in. the bigger trade was a reopening of the closed multiple trades which i explained before.
you seem to have comprehension issues.
And for your information it wasn't even closed per se. As i trade on api the short term system netted that position out when i traded short term system and then reopened it at the same aggregate size when i exited my short term. Just the side effect of trading 2 platforms on one account.
The long term trade itself was profitable however the multiple small manually opened positions when closed created a greater pip loss then than the close of the aggregate could net out. i.e. 20x -10 pips ( 1 lot trades) vs 1 +20 pips (2mil) as an example
Anyway I would look up definition of martingale before you make yourself look even dumber than you have already shown yourself to be here. Seems like you are one very very bitter and angry individual.
By the way the question still remains unanswered from above. Show history for apology.
And now I expect a double apology and admittance on your part to being a moron.
Oct 22, 2015 at 09:51
(edytowane Oct 22, 2015 at 09:51)
FFxCondor posted:zarni posted:
if you average in using multiple small positions and lose on that and then trade one big position equal in size to the aggregate small ones and win much more you will show negative pip count. which is what happened to me. XAU magnifies that because of the way myfxbook treats XAU (which they are fixing now based on my suggestions). nothing to do with martingale.
Actually what you do is the definition of a martingale technique, which is adding to a losing position and increasing the size of the previous trades.
um no condor. that is averaging. and i didn't say i increase when averaging.
look up martingale please.
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4862 postów
Oct 22, 2015 at 09:53
@FxMasterGuru
Dear,
you are not right.
Caesar is still superstar https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/fxprimusc21/1364505
It actually fit the criteria of profit, max DD and age.:)
Dear,
you are not right.
Caesar is still superstar https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/fxprimusc21/1364505
It actually fit the criteria of profit, max DD and age.:)
Oct 22, 2015 at 09:57
togr posted:
@FxMasterGuru
Dear,
you are not right.
Caesar is still superstar https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/fxprimusc21/1364505
It actually fit the criteria of profit, max DD and age.:)
would caution you to make any conclusions on a tiny account like that.
it's quite easy to do that on 1k. not same on 250k
Uczestnik z Feb 22, 2011
4862 postów
Oct 22, 2015 at 09:58
zarni posted:togr posted:
@FxMasterGuru
Dear,
you are not right.
Caesar is still superstar https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/fxprimusc21/1364505
It actually fit the criteria of profit, max DD and age.:)
would caution you to make any conclusions on a tiny account like that.
it's quite easy to do that on 1k. not same on 250k
The same results were duplicated to many accounts, even 100k
Oct 22, 2015 at 10:00
Please understand everyone, just like @zarni says it doesn´t need to be a mart/grid simply beacuse there is a net pips loss on the acc. Trading doesn´t come down to how many pips you make, but rather the position size you use for the 'winning pips'. Let´s say ju trade small (0,01 lots) all day an lose money (-50 pips alltogether) and then you make money on the last trade for the day, and this times you trade with 1 lot (100 times bigger pos. size) but only make + 20 pips. Then you will still have neg. pips for the day, but have made money in total. I have seen this many times, so it doesn´t need to be a mart or grid simply because there is a neg. pip balance. I could have to to with how you positions size in your trading.
Oct 22, 2015 at 10:00
togr posted:zarni posted:togr posted:
@FxMasterGuru
Dear,
you are not right.
Caesar is still superstar https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/fxprimusc21/1364505
It actually fit the criteria of profit, max DD and age.:)
would caution you to make any conclusions on a tiny account like that.
it's quite easy to do that on 1k. not same on 250k
The same results were duplicated to many accounts, even 100k
where?
also looking at the PF that is not a great win loss ratio.
