HAMSTER TURBO (Por eleanna74)
O utilizador eliminou este sistema.
HAMSTER TURBO Discussão
Feb 24, 2019 at 14:18
SuperStar you have to read HAMSTER TURBO's description to understand how this strategy works. You only use the 1/4 or 1/2 of your entire capital in signal copying, going for maximum profit/risk:
https://www.signalstart.com/analysis/hamster-turbo/37586
https://www.signalstart.com/analysis/hamster-turbo/37586
Membro Desde Jan 25, 2010
1360 posts
Feb 24, 2019 at 14:33
eleanna74 posted:
Exactly, $2.7 million is nothing, the problem is that many other quite big players have grasped the same strategy and following it, causing these large moves. We will see how it goes as we move ahead.
$2.7 million may be traders' total account balances, but MetaTrader will only copy a maximum of 95% trade volume.
And certainly many will not use 95% risk but will set this to a lower volume (even with Eleni's MM strategy).
So $2.7 million is misleading: this volume is not the traded amount in the market. It is much less.
Feb 24, 2019 at 23:11
(editado Feb 24, 2019 at 23:13)
eleanna74 posted:
All traders use leverage, so what applies to us, applies to other traders too.
When you give buy/sell orders, a total of about 300 millions in real terms are entering the market. This 300 WILL influence the thin Asian market, no matter how you look at it. It will not influence YOUR trade, because you are the first to give the order, but for all your followers, even if they are are behind you with only few milliseconds, they will have worse results.
Sorry, but this is the harsh reality.
Membro Desde Jan 25, 2010
1360 posts
Feb 25, 2019 at 07:11
ovisun posted:
Shouldn't be taken leverage into consideration? And if most of the followers I'm sure are using 1:100, or even 1:500, wouldn't be there the total sum used for trading 2.7 millionx100=270 million ?
True, take leverage into consideration and the volume will increase.
But take B-Book brokers and lower real amounts invested, the true volume will be much less.
Whatever the case, it is nothing compared to total market volume.
Feb 25, 2019 at 10:25
Dear HAMSTER TURBO subscibers, the feedback I am getting from subscribers that already changed their ICMarkets server in order to improve the slippage they were encountering, is that the move from live03 server to other servers helped reducing their slippage considerably. I hear that slippage of 20-25 points has been reduced to 3-5 points, so this is great news. I therefore advise those who still 'suffer' from larger than normal (above 3-4 points) slippage to consider changing their signal account to another one with low slippage value and a small number of executed trades. You should avoid live03 and live05 servers for now as they appear to be overcrowded.
For more details check HAMSTER TURBO's slippage tab: https://www.mql5.com/en/signals/463727#!tab=tab_slippage
Thank you very much for your attention!
Eleni Anna Branou
For more details check HAMSTER TURBO's slippage tab: https://www.mql5.com/en/signals/463727#!tab=tab_slippage
Thank you very much for your attention!
Eleni Anna Branou
Feb 25, 2019 at 11:51
If you havnt watched Elenis signal open or close then you really are not qualified to comment. If you watch the signal live in your MT4 platform and watch the signal close its position - you will see a huge candle - best seen on the 1M chart - when hamster turbo opens and closes its position (which is your position in mt4) - You can see it move the price significantly as Elenis following is quite large now - it has the power to move prices during thin liquidity periods just like a small bank or hedge fund can...
Eleni - moving the market price cannot be back tested. So how do you know that the strategy will not work if you break up the position into multiple smaller positions?
Since your following is large enough to move the price - have you considered behaving like a bank to push price in your favour?
For example - what if you divided your position into 2 positions. The first is as per normal and let say its a buy. Then when your ready to close at 5 pips profit - instead of closing it there @ TP = 5 pips - open another buy - which will push the price up higher again and push the first position further into profit - perhaps another 3-4 pips dending on liquidity at the time. Then wait 5-10 seconds - and then close all positions - which will send it crashing again but at least we took a few stops first and gave us some liquidity to reduce slippage on the close... again you cant back test this - and you would need to consder market depth at the time to see if it was going to work or not...
Any other ideas?
Eleni - moving the market price cannot be back tested. So how do you know that the strategy will not work if you break up the position into multiple smaller positions?
Since your following is large enough to move the price - have you considered behaving like a bank to push price in your favour?
For example - what if you divided your position into 2 positions. The first is as per normal and let say its a buy. Then when your ready to close at 5 pips profit - instead of closing it there @ TP = 5 pips - open another buy - which will push the price up higher again and push the first position further into profit - perhaps another 3-4 pips dending on liquidity at the time. Then wait 5-10 seconds - and then close all positions - which will send it crashing again but at least we took a few stops first and gave us some liquidity to reduce slippage on the close... again you cant back test this - and you would need to consder market depth at the time to see if it was going to work or not...
Any other ideas?
Feb 25, 2019 at 13:50
groper posted:
If you havnt watched Elenis signal open or close then you really are not qualified to comment. If you watch the signal live in your MT4 platform and watch the signal close its position - you will see a huge candle - best seen on the 1M chart - when hamster turbo opens and closes its position (which is your position in mt4) - You can see it move the price significantly as Elenis following is quite large now - it has the power to move prices during thin liquidity periods just like a small bank or hedge fund can...
Eleni - moving the market price cannot be back tested. So how do you know that the strategy will not work if you break up the position into multiple smaller positions?
Since your following is large enough to move the price - have you considered behaving like a bank to push price in your favour?
For example - what if you divided your position into 2 positions. The first is as per normal and let say its a buy. Then when your ready to close at 5 pips profit - instead of closing it there @ TP = 5 pips - open another buy - which will push the price up higher again and push the first position further into profit - perhaps another 3-4 pips dending on liquidity at the time. Then wait 5-10 seconds - and then close all positions - which will send it crashing again but at least we took a few stops first and gave us some liquidity to reduce slippage on the close... again you cant back test this - and you would need to consder market depth at the time to see if it was going to work or not...
Any other ideas?
BRAVO @groper,
This is exactly the strategy used by the big banks/sharks in Forex, to create liquidity for their real orders.
Feb 25, 2019 at 23:37
Hello groper, your strategy is interesting and I would use it, if I didn't have subscribers to think of. If I employ such a strategy many subscribers will have great results (those who copy better) and others will be left in the dark with the losses of the selling wave that it will follow a buy order closure. Big insitutions and traders have a whole network of orders covering their back in such strategies. We can't compete with them in such areas.
Feb 26, 2019 at 07:27
eleanna74 posted:
Hello Luka, I have subscribers that copy with a minimal 2-4 points slippage and others that have around 10 points slippage. I would say that anything below 8-10 points its quite acceptable under the circumstances.
I am not sure what do you mean by “point”? Percentage point or 0.1 pips?
Feb 26, 2019 at 07:27
Hi eleni - if you can check the market depth before you employ the action - you should be able to gage a reasonable expectation of what will happen with your order. Also keeping a log of how much your signal affects the market price when you open and close and at what time of day would also be helpful.
Look at todays trade for example - your sell position moved the price down 3.5pips @ 0200, then up 2.8 pips when you closed at 0250.
Your signal today pushed prices an avg of more than 3 pips. Ive seen it do more than this also - sometimes more than 5 pips...
Why dont you try an experiment - is there a way to get a poll going whereby the investors consent to the experiment? The most we are risking is perhaps a pip or 2 of slippage... which is usual for many of us anyway!
The first positions will close with more profit - the second position not so much - but even if the second position closes at break even - we still have extra pips on the first position...
Look at todays trade for example - your sell position moved the price down 3.5pips @ 0200, then up 2.8 pips when you closed at 0250.
Your signal today pushed prices an avg of more than 3 pips. Ive seen it do more than this also - sometimes more than 5 pips...
Why dont you try an experiment - is there a way to get a poll going whereby the investors consent to the experiment? The most we are risking is perhaps a pip or 2 of slippage... which is usual for many of us anyway!
The first positions will close with more profit - the second position not so much - but even if the second position closes at break even - we still have extra pips on the first position...
