Myfxbook Autotrade
forex_trader_43716
Medlem sedan Aug 06, 2011
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Mar 06, 2013 at 06:51
Wow guys, I thought you would be a little more creative in the way you structured Myfxbook Autotrade. I don't want to be told which broker to use, and I don't want others dictating the size of my start-up capital. If I wanted that I would be using ZuluTrade.
Medlem sedan Nov 30, 2009
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Mar 06, 2013 at 11:01
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Medlem sedan Jul 31, 2009
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Mar 06, 2013 at 12:06
myfxpt posted:
Wow guys, I thought you would be a little more creative in the way you structured Myfxbook Autotrade. I don't want to be told which broker to use, and I don't want others dictating the size of my start-up capital. If I wanted that I would be using ZuluTrade.
Actually, this rule is meant to protect user accounts which is the opposite of what you're implying.
We don't dictate the size of your account - there is a minimal balance to be met in order to copy the trades with correct money management rules. If you're looking to open an account with $100, you will quickly run out of margin as there is a limit to how small a position can be.
As to brokers - this is only an initial beta, so more brokers will be added.
Do let us know of any other feedback, negative or positive.
Thanks!
forex_trader_43716
Medlem sedan Aug 06, 2011
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Mar 08, 2013 at 09:43
Ethan, I am implying nothing other than the fact that Myfxbook is missing a great opportunity to be different, and not just another 'me too' type signal service.
Who's money management? Who's looking to open a $100 account? Actually, I don't really understand your response.
Who's money management? Who's looking to open a $100 account? Actually, I don't really understand your response.
Medlem sedan Jul 31, 2009
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Mar 08, 2013 at 13:45
myfxpt posted:
Ethan, I am implying nothing other than the fact that Myfxbook is missing a great opportunity to be different, and not just another 'me too' type signal service.
Who's money management? Who's looking to open a $100 account? Actually, I don't really understand your response.
From your previous post I understood you don't want to have the $1000 min balance requirement - so in response I said that a lower balance would make it difficult to successfully copy other systems due to the limit of the minimal lot size.
Please let me know of any other points which would help differentiate AutoTrade from other services.
Mar 11, 2013 at 06:27
Ethan, Excellent! it's about time myfxbook started this long demanded service because this sort of makes it plain field for retailers. It allows them to invest and not become victims of big players who crush lil' guys. It's hard economic times globally for the lil' guy. I am glad Myfxbook is going to facilitate this.
just some Q's. If i open a demo account w/ myfxbook or say even i have real account and i get to copy trades from signal providers whom i subscribe. Will demo acct be just myfxbook seeing replication of trades in myfxbook platform or will an actual trade be open in our MT4 platforms. Also will have any option to interfere and close a trade that seems like a bad one, by ourselves? i think a more detailed version of how auto-trade works is necessary at this time. Wait is there a fee to subscribe. I think not, cuz zulutrade is also doing the fractional .50 per mini lot to signal provider. I think myfxbook is more customer oriented and will adapt to the needs of subscribers.
Suggestion: yes more brokers need to be supported n as i said, more detailed explanation of how it works. Thx guys.
just some Q's. If i open a demo account w/ myfxbook or say even i have real account and i get to copy trades from signal providers whom i subscribe. Will demo acct be just myfxbook seeing replication of trades in myfxbook platform or will an actual trade be open in our MT4 platforms. Also will have any option to interfere and close a trade that seems like a bad one, by ourselves? i think a more detailed version of how auto-trade works is necessary at this time. Wait is there a fee to subscribe. I think not, cuz zulutrade is also doing the fractional .50 per mini lot to signal provider. I think myfxbook is more customer oriented and will adapt to the needs of subscribers.
Suggestion: yes more brokers need to be supported n as i said, more detailed explanation of how it works. Thx guys.
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Medlem sedan Jul 31, 2009
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Mar 11, 2013 at 12:23
@doodboy You have some good questions 😄
- When you open a demo account on Myfxbook, an actual MT4 is created in the background. The login is not provided simply because the trades of the provider can be copied without the provider's permission.
- An option to close an open trade is available because with live accounts you will have this possibility through MT4, so there's no point of disabling this on Myfxbook - unless you think otherwise.
- AutoTrade is designed to match the provider performance with the follower and this is done by constantly checking for missing trades/targets/stops/orders/limits which weren't copied - this is why when closing an active provider trade, it will be restored after a few minutes - do you think you should be able to turn off this possibility?
ZuluTrade have between 1.5-2 pips markup with most brokers (depending on the broker) while we have only 1 pip markup which is 33%-50% off.
We will be definitively adding more brokers to the list.
- When you open a demo account on Myfxbook, an actual MT4 is created in the background. The login is not provided simply because the trades of the provider can be copied without the provider's permission.
- An option to close an open trade is available because with live accounts you will have this possibility through MT4, so there's no point of disabling this on Myfxbook - unless you think otherwise.
- AutoTrade is designed to match the provider performance with the follower and this is done by constantly checking for missing trades/targets/stops/orders/limits which weren't copied - this is why when closing an active provider trade, it will be restored after a few minutes - do you think you should be able to turn off this possibility?
ZuluTrade have between 1.5-2 pips markup with most brokers (depending on the broker) while we have only 1 pip markup which is 33%-50% off.
We will be definitively adding more brokers to the list.
Medlem sedan Nov 30, 2009
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Mar 11, 2013 at 15:06
Hi Ethan, thank you for your feedback.
- Could you confirm that the procedure for creating a live autotrading account will be fully automated and that no human can access to the account credentials? What sort of live account is being created at Alpari UK, classic or micro? I believe that we would need the account number for depositing and withdrawing funds. Will Alpari UK contact us later on for completing the paperwork?
- I would like to known how long it takes to replicate a market order from the provider in case the provider 's broker is not the same as my autotrading account. Personally, I would value those providers with accounts in the same broker as my autotrading account or with the lowest lag. Could a broker fake an account and be included as provider?
- I second the option to not reopen trades closed manually. In my current autotrading demo I could have avoided a 5% loss if I closed the trades manually.I prefer that only new market and pending orders being replicated.
In all, I think that a more detailed explanation of how Myfxbook's autotrading system is set up and works would eliminate the blackbox feeling because not being able to access my autotrading account from MT4 triggers a WTF/scam afterthought.
I believe that Myfxbook can create a really different autotrading system, trustful and reliable.
Cheers
Aimak
- Could you confirm that the procedure for creating a live autotrading account will be fully automated and that no human can access to the account credentials? What sort of live account is being created at Alpari UK, classic or micro? I believe that we would need the account number for depositing and withdrawing funds. Will Alpari UK contact us later on for completing the paperwork?
- I would like to known how long it takes to replicate a market order from the provider in case the provider 's broker is not the same as my autotrading account. Personally, I would value those providers with accounts in the same broker as my autotrading account or with the lowest lag. Could a broker fake an account and be included as provider?
- I second the option to not reopen trades closed manually. In my current autotrading demo I could have avoided a 5% loss if I closed the trades manually.I prefer that only new market and pending orders being replicated.
In all, I think that a more detailed explanation of how Myfxbook's autotrading system is set up and works would eliminate the blackbox feeling because not being able to access my autotrading account from MT4 triggers a WTF/scam afterthought.
I believe that Myfxbook can create a really different autotrading system, trustful and reliable.
Cheers
Aimak
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Medlem sedan Jul 31, 2009
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Mar 12, 2013 at 07:45
@Aimak I think I wasn't clear - access to the MT4 account is not given only with the demo. With a live account you will have normal access through MT4 and also through Myfxbook. Only with a demo it is limited as the demo has no expiration date so access to the MT4 will allow to copy the trades with no permission from the provider.
Creating a live account would be a regular process after which you'll have to provide the master password so AutoTrade can mirror the trades in your account - important to note the password is saved in an encrypted format on our servers, so no one can see it, not even us, which ensures the complete safety of your password. Everything is automated so no one ever sees your password.
We haven't measured execution times, however they occur in less than a second in normal conditions. In special conditions such as high volatility after a news event when a broker denies orders, AutoTrade will keep trying to mirror the trades in your account at an equal or a better price until succeeded. In any case we don't allow scalping systems, so execution times would hardly have an effect on performance (statistically speaking, your trades will get the same price on average as the provider as some will have positive slippage and some negative).
In theory, anyone can own a MT4 server and manipulate data, for that reason we do not allow shady/unknown brokers.
I will forward the the suggestion regarding manually closed trades to the dev team - that is a bit complicated feature but will be definitely added.
As to how exactly AutoTrade works - that is not a secret. Most traders/users don't understand or don't care about it, which is why we didn't over complicate things with elaborate explanations. We basically run MT4 terminals which interact with each other as Master>Slave relationships. If you have anymore questions, do ask and I'll be happy to answer 😄
Creating a live account would be a regular process after which you'll have to provide the master password so AutoTrade can mirror the trades in your account - important to note the password is saved in an encrypted format on our servers, so no one can see it, not even us, which ensures the complete safety of your password. Everything is automated so no one ever sees your password.
We haven't measured execution times, however they occur in less than a second in normal conditions. In special conditions such as high volatility after a news event when a broker denies orders, AutoTrade will keep trying to mirror the trades in your account at an equal or a better price until succeeded. In any case we don't allow scalping systems, so execution times would hardly have an effect on performance (statistically speaking, your trades will get the same price on average as the provider as some will have positive slippage and some negative).
In theory, anyone can own a MT4 server and manipulate data, for that reason we do not allow shady/unknown brokers.
I will forward the the suggestion regarding manually closed trades to the dev team - that is a bit complicated feature but will be definitely added.
As to how exactly AutoTrade works - that is not a secret. Most traders/users don't understand or don't care about it, which is why we didn't over complicate things with elaborate explanations. We basically run MT4 terminals which interact with each other as Master>Slave relationships. If you have anymore questions, do ask and I'll be happy to answer 😄
Medlem sedan Nov 21, 2011
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Mar 13, 2013 at 09:49
Hi Ethan,
We need something like that directly into Autotrade:
https://www.myfxbook.com/compare-systems
Some filters must be added:
Let's say I want to autotrade GBPJPY.
I would like to compare all providers available that trade that pair.
So I'm interested by 2 providers... i would like to autrade these 2 providers and be able to autotrade only GBPJPY orders.
Also a new feature could be interested: It would be to reverse trade from providers.
Basically if provider opens Long entry on EURUSD, it opens into my slave MT4 a short entry on EURUSD.
When close manually order will work.. we could also choose to use SL & TP from providers or not. (So we need to know the magic number into our MT4 from different providers to adjust with personal EA
Keep doing a great job
cheers : )
We need something like that directly into Autotrade:
https://www.myfxbook.com/compare-systems
Some filters must be added:
Let's say I want to autotrade GBPJPY.
I would like to compare all providers available that trade that pair.
So I'm interested by 2 providers... i would like to autrade these 2 providers and be able to autotrade only GBPJPY orders.
Also a new feature could be interested: It would be to reverse trade from providers.
Basically if provider opens Long entry on EURUSD, it opens into my slave MT4 a short entry on EURUSD.
When close manually order will work.. we could also choose to use SL & TP from providers or not. (So we need to know the magic number into our MT4 from different providers to adjust with personal EA
Keep doing a great job
cheers : )
Medlem sedan Nov 21, 2011
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Mar 13, 2013 at 12:24
Also It could be nice to vouch a provider only if we autotrade it for a month at least and we have made profit.
forex_trader_8139
Medlem sedan Mar 04, 2010
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Mar 13, 2013 at 14:55
Sound great.
Medlem sedan Jun 18, 2012
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Mar 14, 2013 at 07:19
CrazyTrader posted:
Also It could be nice to vouch a provider only if we autotrade it for a month at least and we have made profit.
Maybe the month limit but I've seen some providers lose 1% during news events while others did -20% or more. I'd like to vouch for a provider that protects capital like that even if my balance is negative!
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Medlem sedan Nov 21, 2011
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Mar 14, 2013 at 15:41
Maybe the month limit but I've seen some providers lose 1% during news events while others did -20% or more. I'd like to vouch for a provider that protects capital like that even if my balance is negative!
Well if one provider loose 20% Capital in 2 hours, it should be banned from the selection.
Well if one provider loose 20% Capital in 2 hours, it should be banned from the selection.
Medlem sedan Nov 30, 2009
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Mar 14, 2013 at 16:27
Ethan, What would happen if a provider does a partial close of a trade, will MFB Autotrade replicate the partial close or close the trade completely? Thanks.
Aimak
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Medlem sedan Jul 31, 2009
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Mar 14, 2013 at 17:08
Aimak posted:
Ethan, What would happen if a provider does a partial close of a trade, will MFB Autotrade replicate the partial close or close the trade completely? Thanks.
Aimak
Partial closes aren't supported as it rewrites the comment field which we use to identify the origin of the trade. Instead, the trade will be closed in full and will be re-entered automatically at an equal or a better price, when possible (for example if the price retraces to the original entry).
Medlem sedan Jan 09, 2013
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Mar 22, 2013 at 09:55
We really look forward to join this program as a signal provider. It's quite surprised that ATM from all the providers we would be 4th ranked but with lowest drawdown from TOP10:-)
Mar 23, 2013 at 09:32
Hi,
this is a really nice concept. Few things to add though.
I like the idea of having some restrictions for signal providers in order to protect unexperienced followers.
So the 10 pips requirement for the avg winning trade is a good thing. However you should also take into consideration the avg pips gained per trade! If the average pips gained is only in the range of 1.0-2.0 Pips it is highly likely that the follower will not make any money! Subtract your 1 pip markup and some slippage and you have a losing account.
Another thing is signal providers should not be allowed to hide closed trades, lotsizes, account size, etc. It is not possible to identify a potentially dangerous strategy without having these informations.
Another provider (https://www.myfxbook.com/members/forexwallstreet/wallstreet-forex-robot-eur33-real/372006) is using some kind of 'recovery' mode by increasing lotsizes with every trade as long as the system is in drawdown. This is also very dangerous and should not be allowed.
Also
Regards
this is a really nice concept. Few things to add though.
I like the idea of having some restrictions for signal providers in order to protect unexperienced followers.
So the 10 pips requirement for the avg winning trade is a good thing. However you should also take into consideration the avg pips gained per trade! If the average pips gained is only in the range of 1.0-2.0 Pips it is highly likely that the follower will not make any money! Subtract your 1 pip markup and some slippage and you have a losing account.
Another thing is signal providers should not be allowed to hide closed trades, lotsizes, account size, etc. It is not possible to identify a potentially dangerous strategy without having these informations.
Another provider (https://www.myfxbook.com/members/forexwallstreet/wallstreet-forex-robot-eur33-real/372006) is using some kind of 'recovery' mode by increasing lotsizes with every trade as long as the system is in drawdown. This is also very dangerous and should not be allowed.
Also
Regards
