Discussão HIT MULTI PAIRS

HIT MULTI PAIRS has 5 EA trading all the major pairs in 1 portfolio.

It has gain 244% returns in 4 trading days. And generated 12,320.9 pips!!! That's an average of 3,000.0 pips per day!

Starting with only $5k account, it made about $12k in 4 days.

Imagine with a $5k account that earns you $10k per week and $40k per month for the 1st month.

$50k account earns you $100k per week and $400k per month.

So 1st mth $5k by the end of the month your account is $5 + $40k = $45k

With $45k in the beginning of 2nd month, you earn $100k per week and so by the end of 2nd month you have $445k

With $445k in the beginning of 3rd mth, with $1m per week earning, you will get $4.445 mil by end of 3rd month.

Of cos all these above are hypothetical situation and sounds insanely unbelievable. I will wait and observe this portfolio 1st to see whether it is robust and stable before launching it in live account.

However, you can see that I am able to generate insanely huge amount of pips count and thus it means that I'm capable of reading the market well to capture as much pips as possible instead of using huge lot size to boost returns. In fact this portfolio opens only 0.1 lot size per trade.

So if you can find any other traders who can generate 12,320.9 pips count in 4 days, let me know. I'm interested to view his results and learn something from him.

Meanwhile, I'm keeping my finger cross to see how this portfolio performance and if all is well, I will be laughing my way to the bank.

Lastly, this portfolio is fully automated. I design and build these algorithmic strategies by myself based on very sound trading theoretical framework. I deploy 5 EA same strategies across different major pairs, that shows that the trading theoretical framework is very robust to be highly successful across different markets.

I've created thousands of profitable strategies, you can view the results at https://www.fxblue.com/users/testport88/stats?startdate=2017/5/1&rx=1501170972924#overview (please using filter date: 1 May and also the webpage may take a long while to download because it contains lot of trading metrics from thousands of EA and thus very heavy)

Ok, wish me best of luck and I hope one day I can hit the target of getting $4.445 mil in 3 mths :)

Nice results!

Please, open a real account in Darwinex to show us a track record of 3 months. A 2% weekly profit will be enough. Good luck!

Yes, I'll definitely open a real account after I observe how this portfolio performs in both ranging and breakout trends.

I'm not concern about Breakout trends though, because almost any strategies can make money (a matter of degree) in a breakout.

The real challenge is the ability to keep (or gain), more in between breakouts. Hence, I'm going to observe this portfolio further to see how it can handle ranging times.

Meanwhile, I'm very happy with the results. Shall wait and see.

Since I have hundreds of profitable trades, what I usually do is to select different strategies and put them into different portfolio to cater to different types of investors. Ranging from safety to higher risk taking.

Thus this Hit Multi Pairs is one of these portfolio, whereby I give myself the 'challenge' to put together different strategies and see which portfolio can produce the maximum returns with the minimum DD and capital requirement. Thus $5k is the nice account size that is most affordable for most and gives me the adequate fund to experiment.

Thanks for your feedback. Meanwhile you can check out my other real portfolio too, it has more than your 2% requirement (33% in 6 wks of trading starting on 19 June when I 1st launch this group of strategies, so an average of 5% weekly returns).

https://www.myfxbook.com/members/hannahis365/hit-bulls-eye/2164077

Best of luck to you too. You are doing really well too. Why aren't you trading live. Don't let your talent gone to waste.

Good work. If you develop these strategies, do you sell it? this is the result of one EA or 5 EAs?

Hi the portfolio consistent of 5 EA use across all major currencies.

I don't sell my EA, cos no one in their right mind will sell his goose that lays golden eggs, in my opinion. Its the trade secrets that's more important to keep and not leak. There many other ways to make money, selling EA is definitely not a wise choice, when such EA can be profitable for so many different markets.

Thanks for your encouragement, I certainly hope the portfolio will continue to grow so that I can start trading it in live account.

With such portfolio, i dont needs to raise external funds. The portfolio will generate profits exponentially with that $5k initial capital

The broker Darwinex offers you the best enviroment to protect your intelectual property and profit from investors' money. Also there is a big quant traders community building up in Darwinex.

I do not trade because I havent found my edge yet.

Honestly with the amount of pips you can generate, you certainly has a trading edge. Do have greater faith in yourself

Is not my trading. Those are Autotade demo accounts. What you do with your EAs, with Autotrade is possible to trade different systems in one account. Problem is the results with a real account are far less impressive that in demo.

I see.

As for me, I use my demo accounts to send trade signals to my live. So what you see in my demo is what you will get if you use the same brokers especially due to similar spread etc

It's easier for me to copy trade from demo cos I can then send different lot size allocation to different live account without having to adjust each original ea setting.

For those who are interested to follow my system please hold your horses. Be patient and wait to see how this portfolio goes. You can still register your interest but let us just wait and see the robustness of this portfolio. I'm not here for quick rich scheme. Although I won't mind wanting to maximise my profit (only through stable and reliable means, not by adverse risk taking, otherwise I won't have lasted so long and patiently over the years push myself to perfect my trading systems).

I'm not a risk taker and hence I need to observe how this portfolio handles ranging times and how it handles sudden spike and change in trend direction.

Once I know how this portfolio handles these 2 situations, I'm more certain of it's stability to weather many storms ahead.

Do not be eager to make money. Once you have a stable system, money will come without a doubt.

Forex is not a place for quick rich mentality. I want to build stable long term income.

Thanks once again for those enthusiastic ones cos I'm also very excited by my portfolio performance and I'm every more invested than anyone of you. I can't wait for it to be true...potential turning $5k into $4mil, I hope that day comes true to me.

Lastly I don't sell trading signal but I'm more interested to manage accounts for profit sharing. Cos I believe my systems deserve better reward system than just earning a couple of cents from each lot.

Please, don't be naïve. Not a single mt4 broker will let you go away with such insane profits.

What's the chance the results are due to start date bias? I.e. start date turned out to be lucky; if started at a different date, performance could have been worse.

Can you show results of the backtest? Are your EAs for sale?

Cool cheers for sharing!

Hi Profix, yeah any scam borker will sabotage this system. Hence, got to choose brokers wisely. You mean to say there isn't a single honest brokage firm? Either way, if you are with a scam broker, even if you have a winning system, you still lose. So the moral of the story is...start looking for credible ones even before you trade.

And if what you said is true, then we all should quit forex cos either way we are all going to lose. We are then really wasting our time here.

Thanks Profix, I know you mean well. Make money, but don't make too much :)

Look for a broker that is not a money maker so that it doesn't matter how much I'm winning. In fact a real honest broker would love to have such portfolio cos it generate lots of volume and commission for them.



Hi Vocasia, I agree that when you start this portfolio will have the impact on initial results.

Most systems are either breakout or ranging system.

So if I started out this system on a prolong ranging period. It would have affected the initial results dramatically (likewise, which systems don't rely on trends).

However, in the long run, this portfolio should be able to weather through (I certainly hope so...as long as ranging period don't last too unusually long.)

Sorry this EAs aren't for sale, so if I don't even want to sell, do you think I'll give it away for free :) I'm not eager to make people happy, that's not my aim. I don't believe in rewarding laziness. If people can't put the time and energy to learn how to trade. They shouldn't be trading at all.

I don't believe in this kind of sharing. It breeds greed and contempt. And it is unfair to me cos I spent years to 'perfect' my systems to get such insane results (hopefully it last, time will tell). I don't believe such results happened by chance cos then I'll be too many times lucky considering that it traded 1643 times in 5 days. It's too many time to be so lucky. Plus, my trade win is 64% so most of the time, this portfolio make more correct trades than wrong ones. And if it loses, it lose small but win big. These are definitely not the work of some random lucky streaks.

Anyway, it's still too early to tell. But one thing I do know that this system's weakness is in ranging so I'll be developing the next stage EA that will improve it's performance further by not taking too many random trades during ranging and that will cut down the loss.

In forex you 'make' money both ways, 1) make money by taking in profits and 2) by not losing them back again, keep your profit. In this way, our accounts can grow faster. Why most people don't make money in forex, it's not because they aren't winning. It's because they can't stop losing. A good system not only bring in the profit, it also plug the holes.

Lastly Vocasia,

If this portfolio continues to do so well, how much do you think I should price this system?

It make 2.5 times the capital.

1st week $5k, end of the week made $12,500 profit.

End of the month make $50,000

Begin 2nd month with $55k ($5k + $50k previous profit),

End of the 2nd month made 2.5 x more = $135,500

Begin 3rd month with $1.925k




And it goes on and on...now tell me how much would you price this System?

Of cos, all the above calculation is hyper hypothetical....but I certainly hope it will come true to me. Wish me best of luck :)


Let's hope the subsequent weeks won't crush my dream and if it does, I'm not lost (cos my dreams have been crashed so many times that I have learn to make better and better system over the time till I get such results...so all is not lost especially when you know why you fail cos you will then know how to avoid those failures better in the future, the worst part in life is, not to know why we fail).

hannahis365 posted:
Lastly Vocasia,

If this portfolio continues to do so well, how much do you think I should price this system?

Good exercise question.



Let's judge the value of an algorithmic trading system based on some basic performance metrics:
1) Absolute gain divided by drawdown (risk-adjusted growth)
2) Duration of live forward-test (in months)
3) Pairs in profit / total currency pairs (measure of successful diversification)

(being very liberal and ignoring things like max. stagnation period / stability index / sharpe ratio etc.)



Next, let's look at the price of other decent EAs on the market.

Let's take SFE. It sells for up to $2000. Some sell upwards $4000 and beyond. It is also a breakout system, and well diversified via lots of currency pairs (another important variable to consider). It appears to be a very robust system. Again being very generous here.

1) Abs.gain/dd = 193.1/17.87 = 10.81
2) Live duration = 23 months
3) Profit pairs/total pairs = 13/15 = 0.87

Assigning a value factor to make it a fair valuation:
= $2000 / (10.81*23*0.87)
= 9.25 (the value factor)

Double checking:
= 9.25 * 10.81 * 23 * 0.87
= ~$2000



So to price your EA:
1) 302.76/42.07 = 7.2
2) 0.25 (since it's only been 8 days or ~quarter of a month)
3) 6/7 = 0.86

= 9.25 * 7.2 * 0.25 * 0.86
= ~$14.32



That's also not considering that what is currently shown is a demo forward-test only (or the fact that there's no backtests for additional assessment).

Of course the duration variable could be argued as irrelevant in this case, but I thought it's worthwhile to add just to account for the potential of survivorship bias (edit: it might have been better if I had counted only the months in profit).

In time your EA could be 'worth' more.

The output looks ridiculous I know. I might personally have priced it higher without such calculations, just for the record (and just to make the point that I'm not having some kind of negative bias against what you made or anything).

Hi Voasia,

Very interesting concept.

No worries Voasia, nothing personal, thanks for taking your time to demonstrate your model of calculation.

I always enjoy a good discussion and not take things personally.

Furthermore, this system is too new to be priced correctly. Time will tell and I do need time to evaluation this system properly before trading it live with my real money.