TRADING LEVERAGES AFTER BREXIT

Does anybody know what will happen regarding Trading Leverages after Brexit? Currently Leverages are restricted by ESMA, but when we leave The EU will this change and will the restrictions be lifted.

I had a conversation with some broker people - they say it's unlikely leverages would go up in the UK ;( .... and this is easy to understand as small leverages require bigger deposits, they lead to smaller profits for good traders etc. win-win-win situation for brokers and regs...

The rubbish broker leverage limits are so stupid. They are awful for traders. I read some data that the limits have actually caused MORE losses for traders but the regulators are too stubborn to admit they screwed up and change them back.

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The rubbish broker leverage limits are so stupid. They are awful for traders. I read some data that the limits have actually caused MORE losses for traders but the regulators are too stubborn to admit they screwed up and change them back.

How can smaller leverage cause more losses for traders? Makes no sense. Big leverage is good for shady brokers...it only takes 10 pips to blow up an account at 1:1000 leverage or 20 pips at 1:500 leverage, when using it all, and such brokers have no problem to increase the spread to even 50 pips for a second, to do exactly that.

Please see reply received from FCA regarding Leverages:

Thank you for contacting the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) via web form.

I appreciate that you've raised a query to us in relation to the leverage restriction imposed by ESMA and whether these leverages are subject to change soon. You feel that the restrictions that have been placed have resulted in it being not worthwhile to trade and you feel that the UK firms should be able to bring back leverages of 1:500. You also believe that the opening of a professional account and the savings that are required to open one are astronomical and unfair. Thank you for your query.

EU Withdrawal

From reviewing the information you've provided, it appears that the majority of your query relates to any changes that may take place after the UK leaves the EU. Whilst the UK and the EU need to ratify the withdrawal agreement by the 31st January 2020, there will then be a transitional period until the 31st December 2020 during which time both sides can negotiate arrangements. Throughout the transitional period we're currently aware that no changes will take place, however we don't have any information to suggest what the outcome will be from the transitional period. I'd suggest keeping an eye on the FCA website for any information and updates that you feel may be of relevance to you.

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I appreciate the concerns and thoughts that you've raised to us, and I've registered this information here on our systems for our own intelligence purposes. The information we obtain from consumers such as yourself helps us in ascertaining whether the firms and markets we regulate are meeting our standards.

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I don't understand why ESMA brought in Leverage Restrictions in the first place considering that Forex Brokers already had BALANCE PROTECTION in place which meant that in the event of a FLASH CRASH etc you could not lose more money than what was in your account.

This means that if I open an account with £100, £1000 etc I can't lose more than that!

 All Forex Brokers carry a Warning: NOT to Risk more than you are willing to lose. Basically, you don't risk your house, your life savings and money that you've put aside for that holiday in the Sun etc! COMMON SENSE!

I do not see how they will be lifted anytime soon honestly, because it's just obvious that they will not be there anyway totally and completely. People above me already described everything basically. So you will still need to wait for something to happen.

247mm posted:
How can smaller leverage cause more losses for traders? Makes no sense. Big leverage is good for shady brokers...it only takes 10 pips to blow up an account at 1:1000 leverage or 20 pips at 1:500 leverage, when using it all, and such brokers have no problem to increase the spread to even 50 pips for a second, to do exactly that.

Exactly like this: retail traders goes to offshore forex brokers with high leverage - which usually a bucket shop. So traders loses their money.

I wish usual leverage 1:500 for FCA UK brokers could be restored for retail traders as soon as possible.
But it will unlikely to happen in 2020 as I see from the FCA response in the other comment here 😞

To all those on here who say that smaller leverages cause more losses for traders I have this to say. I'm a small trader and if I have £100 to spare and open an account with £100 and I'm trading with a higher leverage it improves drastically my chances of making more money, but I also have to understand that I could also lose that £100.

Before Leverage Restrictions were introduced I was learning on demo accounts and did so for several years. I always opened demos with realistic amounts, based on what I thought I would be able to afford should I decide to trade with real money. It is no good opening a domo with £5000 or £50000 if you do not have that amount of money to spare.

I learnt everything I could about the market and technical analysis. Over time I was becoming a better trader and on numerous occasions I was able to turn £100 into £500 etc in just a few hours.

Now if you're trading with real money, you can decide to bank whatever profit you have made at the end of the day or week and start again with £100. Gradually increasing it should profits continue to roll.

The problem with lower leverages is that it's not worth taking a gamble on the news because you will not make big money. Furthermore you have to stay in trades much longer and should trades turn against you, you have to decide whether to stay or go. You can not hope or even have a chance of making a living from lower leverages!

It's a complete waste of time trading with lower leverages. Who wants to look at a screen all day just to see a few quid profit. I'm better off opening an ISA or actually buying shares etc!

Trading throughout the day you feel a part of something, something bigger than yourself, you are a market participant and that's the buzz! Waiting for the market to open, waiting for the latest new stories and everything else that is so exciting about being a trader.

ESMA SPOILT trading for myself and others like me who are not rich, who don't have a lot of money to spare.

Some of us aren't lucky enough to have had an Eton School Education or had the opportunity to study at Harvard or Oxford. Some of us have to start from the beginning.

Furthermore, the introduction of Algorithms has spoilt it for the many... but I will say this and this is worth noting What I learn about Technical Analysis is the very thing that Algorithms have worked out already, the only difference is that they are able to respond in Nano Seconds compared to a Human Being. It's like playing Chess against a Computer, but Computers are beatable and in trading they are looking at trading with the same kind of logic.

IMAGINE how you would feel if after Several Years of Dedication and working 24/7 you had your DREAM taken away from you and especially if you had discovered and learnt much of it yourself! I don't take what I've learnt about Technical Analysis for granted, I feel that I was Divinely Blessed.

So many people in our world take everything for granted. They take our World for Granted and that's why we are in a battle to save our planet from Global Warming. They think that they've made their millions through their own doing and they brag about it, but what people need to realise is that all Good Gifts Come from The Father of Lights! GOD!

I will say this much though, you go to any book store and pick up a book on trading from those who have a background in trading and have made their millions from trading and you will discover Books Full of Wisdom!

https://www.sta-uk.org/

https://traderlife.co.uk/

emotionaltrader posted:
I don't understand why ESMA brought in Leverage Restrictions in the first place considering that Forex Brokers already had BALANCE PROTECTION in place which meant that in the event of a FLASH CRASH etc you could not lose more money than what was in your account.

This means that if I open an account with £100, £1000 etc I can't lose more than that!

 All Forex Brokers carry a Warning: NOT to Risk more than you are willing to lose. Basically, you don't risk your house, your life savings and money that you've put aside for that holiday in the Sun etc! COMMON SENSE!

Nice say man. After Brexit transition period end, ESMA Leverage Restrictions will be revoked. However, traders are eying for FCA response regrading this matter

VladPo posted:

247mm posted:
How can smaller leverage cause more losses for traders? Makes no sense. Big leverage is good for shady brokers...it only takes 10 pips to blow up an account at 1:1000 leverage or 20 pips at 1:500 leverage, when using it all, and such brokers have no problem to increase the spread to even 50 pips for a second, to do exactly that.

Exactly like this: retail traders goes to offshore forex brokers with high leverage - which usually a bucket shop. So traders loses their money.

I wish usual leverage 1:500 for FCA UK brokers could be restored for retail traders as soon as possible.
But it will unlikely to happen in 2020 as I see from the FCA response in the other comment here 😞

UK is in Brexit transaction period right now. It will end in 2020. After that, hope we will see some change.

If you are using a reliable broker, you don’t have to worry about leverage limits.