=Tiger 2 EURUSD= (bei Prasono)
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=Tiger 2 EURUSD= Diskussion
Jun 06, 2010 at 17:20
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Jun 06, 2010 at 19:36
Like Mike.
I too would be very interested in learning your system.
Please contact me to discuss further,if you would be so kind.
[email protected] is my alternative email address.
I too would be very interested in learning your system.
Please contact me to discuss further,if you would be so kind.
[email protected] is my alternative email address.
forex_trader_7
Mitglied seit Aug 01, 2009
941 Posts
Jun 06, 2010 at 20:32
(bearbeitet Jun 06, 2010 at 20:35)
I'm pretty sad to see this happen in fxbook. Now it's open season for the scammers.
We're going to have tsunami of crap like this. Real performance will just disappear in all the noise.
For the four of you, if there is anybody in here who is not part of this I'll talk to myself group, this is a control point based back test. It has 0% accuracy or value.
We're going to have tsunami of crap like this. Real performance will just disappear in all the noise.
For the four of you, if there is anybody in here who is not part of this I'll talk to myself group, this is a control point based back test. It has 0% accuracy or value.
Mitglied seit Dec 10, 2009
25 Posts
Jun 06, 2010 at 21:36
(bearbeitet Jun 06, 2010 at 21:37)
Hello Everyone,
I absolutely agree with Elkart, myfxbook will now become a very dangerous place for people new to automated trading systems, managed accounts, etc since most new traders are not aware of all the things that can be done to make backtesting results show incredible, unrealistic results. More over, the authenticity of the backtesting results cannot be verified in anyway since the statements can be modified before uploading and this also puts people at an incredible danger of being ripped off.
As Elkart said, this system uses control points and has absolutely no modeling validity, even systems that explicitely control bar opening do not have accurate simulations using this technique. However having a 90% modeling quality also does not guarantee accuracy, many other things come into play - including hindsight - and therefore GREAT care is needed when you look at these systems.
I have personally added my results for Watukushay FE (2000-2009 backtest), available for free at https://watukushayfe.blogspot.com, an EA I coded for backtesting reliability and for long term profitability. You can download the expert for free and you can also check my live myfxbook results of this system.
I hope that this new feature at myfxbook will not lead to a scammer-party with many people losing their money on worth-less systems. However this might only be wishful thinking :S
I invite those of you interested in reliable trading strategies with live and backtesting results to visit Watukushay FE's website and learn more about the EA, or simply to REALLY inform yourselves about the faults and limitations of backtesting results and what can and CANNOT be infered from them. Thank you for reading this message :)
Best Regards,
Daniel
I absolutely agree with Elkart, myfxbook will now become a very dangerous place for people new to automated trading systems, managed accounts, etc since most new traders are not aware of all the things that can be done to make backtesting results show incredible, unrealistic results. More over, the authenticity of the backtesting results cannot be verified in anyway since the statements can be modified before uploading and this also puts people at an incredible danger of being ripped off.
As Elkart said, this system uses control points and has absolutely no modeling validity, even systems that explicitely control bar opening do not have accurate simulations using this technique. However having a 90% modeling quality also does not guarantee accuracy, many other things come into play - including hindsight - and therefore GREAT care is needed when you look at these systems.
I have personally added my results for Watukushay FE (2000-2009 backtest), available for free at https://watukushayfe.blogspot.com, an EA I coded for backtesting reliability and for long term profitability. You can download the expert for free and you can also check my live myfxbook results of this system.
I hope that this new feature at myfxbook will not lead to a scammer-party with many people losing their money on worth-less systems. However this might only be wishful thinking :S
I invite those of you interested in reliable trading strategies with live and backtesting results to visit Watukushay FE's website and learn more about the EA, or simply to REALLY inform yourselves about the faults and limitations of backtesting results and what can and CANNOT be infered from them. Thank you for reading this message :)
Best Regards,
Daniel
Jun 08, 2010 at 15:40
Daniel, your link has an erroneous character (comma) ... here is the corrected link ... https://watukushayfe.blogspot.com/
Mitglied seit Apr 20, 2010
814 Posts
Jun 08, 2010 at 18:23
Hello Elkart, I think you probably have to eat back your own words.
See he got real account corresponding to the back test result.
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Prasono/arief-25/32012
See he got real account corresponding to the back test result.
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Prasono/arief-25/32012
Information is Gold when come to organised.
forex_trader_5776
Mitglied seit Jan 17, 2010
140 Posts
Jun 09, 2010 at 02:06
I don't know how you can compare a live system doing 0.52% DAILY with a back tested system doing 65.39% DAILY and claiming them to be the same.
NIGHT and DAY
R
NIGHT and DAY
R
ForexSeeker posted:
Hello Elkart, I think you probably have to eat back your own words.
See he got real account corresponding to the back test result.
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Prasono/arief-25/32012
Mitglied seit Apr 20, 2010
814 Posts
Jun 09, 2010 at 02:45
Why you chose to compare the daily gain ?
The back test is using 6 month while live test is barely 4 month, also back test use 1k while live test use 100k.
I just compare the history trade that if they behave and result almost same to back test or not.
<a href='https://www.myfxbook.com/files/ForexSeeker/Tiger2.JPG' target='_blank'><img src='https://www.myfxbook.com/files/ForexSeeker/Tiger2.JPG'/></a>
Obviously the live result is perform more better than back test.
So I wonder if the broker is FXpro that give the wrong calculation on balance which you need to deduct two zero which mean this is a 1000 USD micro account.
The back test is using 6 month while live test is barely 4 month, also back test use 1k while live test use 100k.
I just compare the history trade that if they behave and result almost same to back test or not.
<a href='https://www.myfxbook.com/files/ForexSeeker/Tiger2.JPG' target='_blank'><img src='https://www.myfxbook.com/files/ForexSeeker/Tiger2.JPG'/></a>
Obviously the live result is perform more better than back test.
So I wonder if the broker is FXpro that give the wrong calculation on balance which you need to deduct two zero which mean this is a 1000 USD micro account.
Anhänge:
Information is Gold when come to organised.
forex_trader_5776
Mitglied seit Jan 17, 2010
140 Posts
Jun 09, 2010 at 03:22
(bearbeitet Jun 09, 2010 at 03:31)
OMG, you gotta be kidding me.
What period would you like me to use? Do you really not understand the basic math that the proportions will be the same even if I used a nono-second or a decade?
What does deposit amount have to do when we're talking about percentage gains, if you use the same strategy, you just adjust your lot size and you take the same trades as dictated by the strategy.
R
What period would you like me to use? Do you really not understand the basic math that the proportions will be the same even if I used a nono-second or a decade?
What does deposit amount have to do when we're talking about percentage gains, if you use the same strategy, you just adjust your lot size and you take the same trades as dictated by the strategy.
R
Mitglied seit Apr 20, 2010
814 Posts
Jun 09, 2010 at 04:07
Well I'm surprise that you believe in back test result will perform same as real result.
Even the mathematic gain is correct, but you forgot about the Back test is have complete history data while live test has just a few month of data.
And because this EA is using MM compounding tactic, is the Daily gain still relevant for comparison ?
You must be joking me you only judge something by their gain and not look into the detail statement how the trade is open and close.
<a href='https://www.myfxbook.com/files/ForexSeeker/GainCompare.JPG' target='_blank'><img src='https://www.myfxbook.com/files/ForexSeeker/GainCompare.JPG'/></a>
Even the mathematic gain is correct, but you forgot about the Back test is have complete history data while live test has just a few month of data.
And because this EA is using MM compounding tactic, is the Daily gain still relevant for comparison ?
You must be joking me you only judge something by their gain and not look into the detail statement how the trade is open and close.
<a href='https://www.myfxbook.com/files/ForexSeeker/GainCompare.JPG' target='_blank'><img src='https://www.myfxbook.com/files/ForexSeeker/GainCompare.JPG'/></a>
Anhänge:
Information is Gold when come to organised.
Jun 09, 2010 at 04:40
In Live Result trade use
- TIGER 2010 EA's Trade Pairs : EURUSD, GBPUSD & EURJPY (3 EA's)
- Scalper EURCHF (1 EA) use totaly different risk than Tiger
Backtes Result only
- 1 EA TiIGER 2010 at EURUSD
Riisk Like 5 level compare than Live result only use 1 level risk
- TIGER 2010 EA's Trade Pairs : EURUSD, GBPUSD & EURJPY (3 EA's)
- Scalper EURCHF (1 EA) use totaly different risk than Tiger
Backtes Result only
- 1 EA TiIGER 2010 at EURUSD
Riisk Like 5 level compare than Live result only use 1 level risk
forex_trader_5776
Mitglied seit Jan 17, 2010
140 Posts
Jun 09, 2010 at 05:43
I'm not sure if DoubleTrap was addressing me but No I do not believe in back tests and they will NEVER perform the same in Live trading and YES, Gain is the only thing I can judge the results by since I cannot go back in time and put myself in the position of person/EA making the trades to understand that trade.
I only trade manual and every trade is different.
R
I only trade manual and every trade is different.
R
Mitglied seit Apr 20, 2010
814 Posts
Jun 09, 2010 at 06:14
Hello Robert,
Yes is addressing to you. Well life is always confusing as we do sometimes contradict with our own statement.
Such as you don't belief in back test result. Yet you want to compare the back test daily gain result with the real test daily gain result.
And me don't believe such good back test result with 5 open trade at same position will able make money, sure is a bug, why you need open 5 trade at the same times and close them all. This is just ridiculous job. Yet it still make money in real account.
The statement is the back in times portal where you find all the trace of record of EA and understand it logic by studying more of the EA parameter. EA will have a fix complex formula, and only manual human trade is beyond logic to study.
Yes is addressing to you. Well life is always confusing as we do sometimes contradict with our own statement.
Such as you don't belief in back test result. Yet you want to compare the back test daily gain result with the real test daily gain result.
And me don't believe such good back test result with 5 open trade at same position will able make money, sure is a bug, why you need open 5 trade at the same times and close them all. This is just ridiculous job. Yet it still make money in real account.
The statement is the back in times portal where you find all the trace of record of EA and understand it logic by studying more of the EA parameter. EA will have a fix complex formula, and only manual human trade is beyond logic to study.
Information is Gold when come to organised.
forex_trader_5776
Mitglied seit Jan 17, 2010
140 Posts
Jun 10, 2010 at 03:37
I was not comparing the results, I was just referring to your post (post #9) which said they were the same system and I'm just saying that if they are then the back tests are a worthless piece of crap since the difference in results is larger then Atlantic.
I have nothing against you or your system, my point was just that pretty much back tests in general have no reflection in live trading. However, I always look for someone to prove me wrong, please let me know in few months if your live traded account performs at least 75% as well as your backtests.
Good trading
R
I have nothing against you or your system, my point was just that pretty much back tests in general have no reflection in live trading. However, I always look for someone to prove me wrong, please let me know in few months if your live traded account performs at least 75% as well as your backtests.
Good trading
R
Mitglied seit Apr 20, 2010
814 Posts
Jun 10, 2010 at 05:47
I hope that was my system too.😁 If real result just have 20% of the back test performance, I'm already very happy.
Well I think you still no idea how to compare back test result, sure the gain % will not be the same in real test as we all already know.
The back test is just a mathematic logic perform under the history data. Weather it will perform like real forward test, it will very much depend on what kind of indicator the EA use. Back test data feed is always a bit slow and insufficient so is just a whether forecast on how much rain you might get at the end of the month/year.
So what are we want looking for in the back test forecast result ?
Sure is the mechanism of open trade and close trade do bring profit as show in forecast.
My post #9 is just disagree of this statement
<< 'For the four of you, if there is anybody in here who is not part of this I'll talk to myself group, this is a control point based back test. It has 0% accuracy or value.' >>
My statement is << He got a real account corresponding to the back test result.>>
I'm also surprise that the real account corresponding to the back test logic of open/close trade and do make profit.
So if anyone still thinking of back test corresponding to real account mean that they will have the same gain %.
Well they probably misunderstood the concept of back test result, is just a forecast to see the logic performance under different market condition. If it survive a long period, then it probably got potential to do forward demo test.
And I also come across where back test result fail, but forward test result is splendid. Which is my 'Kill Bill 5'
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/ForexSeeker/kill-bill-5-alpha-test/27257
So there is no absolute meaning of a back test result, it just a forecast of various possibility outcome you might encounter in forward test. I always use back test to filter out which EA worth to put on demo test. So Back test is a very good control point based for me and it has quite high accuracy of forecast and make a good value for trader to study the EA logic.
So lets rest our case and learn from the real trader developer that how the Heaven he able produce such good logic that performance look like Genius.
Well I think you still no idea how to compare back test result, sure the gain % will not be the same in real test as we all already know.
The back test is just a mathematic logic perform under the history data. Weather it will perform like real forward test, it will very much depend on what kind of indicator the EA use. Back test data feed is always a bit slow and insufficient so is just a whether forecast on how much rain you might get at the end of the month/year.
So what are we want looking for in the back test forecast result ?
Sure is the mechanism of open trade and close trade do bring profit as show in forecast.
My post #9 is just disagree of this statement
<< 'For the four of you, if there is anybody in here who is not part of this I'll talk to myself group, this is a control point based back test. It has 0% accuracy or value.' >>
My statement is << He got a real account corresponding to the back test result.>>
I'm also surprise that the real account corresponding to the back test logic of open/close trade and do make profit.
So if anyone still thinking of back test corresponding to real account mean that they will have the same gain %.
Well they probably misunderstood the concept of back test result, is just a forecast to see the logic performance under different market condition. If it survive a long period, then it probably got potential to do forward demo test.
And I also come across where back test result fail, but forward test result is splendid. Which is my 'Kill Bill 5'
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/ForexSeeker/kill-bill-5-alpha-test/27257
So there is no absolute meaning of a back test result, it just a forecast of various possibility outcome you might encounter in forward test. I always use back test to filter out which EA worth to put on demo test. So Back test is a very good control point based for me and it has quite high accuracy of forecast and make a good value for trader to study the EA logic.
So lets rest our case and learn from the real trader developer that how the Heaven he able produce such good logic that performance look like Genius.
Information is Gold when come to organised.
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