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Are there any Real EAs that actually produce profits on Live accounts???
Nov 25, 2013 at 13:49
(editado Nov 24, 2013 at 19:15)
Hello Everyone,
I am pretty new to this site but I am looking to add some EAs to my manual trading. I am finding it quite difficult to sift through all the EA systems out there, so many that are all based on demo or forward tests or just outright fake and fraudulent.
My question is for any traders who know have used or know of a commercial EA that has worked for them on live accounts without being a martingale type strategy??
I would be happy if anyone could point me towards an EA that at least breaks even without taking on massive risk.
Thanks and may your next trade be a profitable one!
I am pretty new to this site but I am looking to add some EAs to my manual trading. I am finding it quite difficult to sift through all the EA systems out there, so many that are all based on demo or forward tests or just outright fake and fraudulent.
My question is for any traders who know have used or know of a commercial EA that has worked for them on live accounts without being a martingale type strategy??
I would be happy if anyone could point me towards an EA that at least breaks even without taking on massive risk.
Thanks and may your next trade be a profitable one!
forex_trader_149646
Miembro desde Sep 09, 2013
posts 406
Nov 25, 2013 at 17:48
Your best bet is to find a solid signal service because no EA is set and forget. Sadly everyone is still searching for. If you are a manual trader than you are already in the right direction. We believe that manual Know How is essential for making a living from trading. This doesn't mean we can't use EA for most of the work. Most profitable traders use EA and that is the reason why I recommned finding the signal service if you want set and forget. For those that are manual traders, you just need a strategy that makes sense to you, then automate it and baby feed it.
Nov 25, 2013 at 21:42
No. There's not.
Most funds that are systematic (i.e. automated strategies) can hire dozens if not hundreds of people to make a "EA" work.
Think about it 1 minute. Let's say you have a great strategy that works. You're doing 10% per months, or even 5% a month... actually even 20% a year. It has been working for the past year or 2 and you have faith in it.
Why would you want to sell it for 500$-ish ? whereas you could lease it or be hired in a systematic fund and start at 500k a year + bonus ?
Most funds that are systematic (i.e. automated strategies) can hire dozens if not hundreds of people to make a "EA" work.
Think about it 1 minute. Let's say you have a great strategy that works. You're doing 10% per months, or even 5% a month... actually even 20% a year. It has been working for the past year or 2 and you have faith in it.
Why would you want to sell it for 500$-ish ? whereas you could lease it or be hired in a systematic fund and start at 500k a year + bonus ?
I work in a hedge fund.
forex_trader_149646
Miembro desde Sep 09, 2013
posts 406
Nov 26, 2013 at 04:07
It is about Efficiency, maximizing potential returns. Managing money for Fees is from Performance base only while a signal service can provide a consistent monthly bonus even during a negative month. Also being hired to Run your systemic strategy for a fund doesn't work as easily as you think. Just look into the Jobs for Quants here - http://www.automatedtrader.net/jobs.xhtm - You either Black Box it and Manage $ or show your Skills to a Fund and hope that you get their attention with your resume ( not always your strategy is good enough).
There is nothing wrong with offering signals or publicize your Strategy development.
For example, look at Forex Growth Bot, they could have pleased everyone by updating their products; stay on top of support and keep development rolling. FGB client base would continue to grow exponentially, Instead they come out with a New Name that no one knows or trusts. Their back at Square 1 with disappointed customers from FGB that got the short end of the stick.
Conclusion:
An increase in capital flow would normally lead to more development and better products over time. Sadly, we see the other way around in the FX industry. Maybe that makes sense to some of you.
There is nothing wrong with offering signals or publicize your Strategy development.
For example, look at Forex Growth Bot, they could have pleased everyone by updating their products; stay on top of support and keep development rolling. FGB client base would continue to grow exponentially, Instead they come out with a New Name that no one knows or trusts. Their back at Square 1 with disappointed customers from FGB that got the short end of the stick.
Conclusion:
An increase in capital flow would normally lead to more development and better products over time. Sadly, we see the other way around in the FX industry. Maybe that makes sense to some of you.
forex_trader_149646
Miembro desde Sep 09, 2013
posts 406
Nov 26, 2013 at 04:12
@Bturner87 These websites do the hard work for you. LiveForexTrading or ConnectForex
And also Myfxbook Autotrade if you use their selected brokers. Getting quality signals is much easilier in 2013 then a few years ago. Also MQl5 has a large database of signal providers that can be easily sorted out and you'll get equal results to theirs.
Miembro desde Jan 15, 2013
posts 224
Nov 26, 2013 at 06:28
Better you trade your money with your own technique and system than let them in other people hands. Forex is a hard working business. Not a money rain drop place. You have to study and have many-many experience to be a successful trader in forex world. Always learn and do research until you got your own KEY.
EA is just for game playing at Demo account and for experiment and researching. If there are "set and forget" EA in the world, then it should not published anywhere and must be a very expensive price. EA's can be a broker's enemy too. So you can imagine the risk and the truth with the published REAL account EA in here.
EA is just for game playing at Demo account and for experiment and researching. If there are "set and forget" EA in the world, then it should not published anywhere and must be a very expensive price. EA's can be a broker's enemy too. So you can imagine the risk and the truth with the published REAL account EA in here.
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Nov 26, 2013 at 07:28
@RedRhino The problem is that there's so many scams and low-quality signals.
Forget about the hedge fund, why would someone give away signals instead of opening a managed account ?
I'm talking about a real managed account, where you don't manage less than 100k€ per clients, and you go to see HNWI, funds of alternative investments, hedge funds etc.
Most professional investors will give you 100k or 250k to "see" the performances, it's really not that hard to get a first million if you're good. So why would you try to make 1$ a signal instead, I'm not sure I get it.
Forget about the hedge fund, why would someone give away signals instead of opening a managed account ?
I'm talking about a real managed account, where you don't manage less than 100k€ per clients, and you go to see HNWI, funds of alternative investments, hedge funds etc.
Most professional investors will give you 100k or 250k to "see" the performances, it's really not that hard to get a first million if you're good. So why would you try to make 1$ a signal instead, I'm not sure I get it.
I work in a hedge fund.
forex_trader_149646
Miembro desde Sep 09, 2013
posts 406
Nov 26, 2013 at 13:13
Autotrading doesn't earn money here at @LucidMind , however I think top signal providers make more money than you believe. I'm sure well over 100k a Month not including their own profits and of course a good signal provider will have managed accounts privately as well. I came across an interesting guy that does it all. http://www.ea-coder.com/ He has many sites and connections through out the retail fx scene. Give him a good chat and I'm sure you will understand my point.
Nov 26, 2013 at 14:51
I'm sorry but that guy is no way profitable on a real live account. His equity shows he simply doesn't like to close loosing positions. The equity(not balance) drawdowns are unacceptable. A client would go crazy watching these open loosing positions on own money. The Black Swan would come sooner or later.
And then the customer would create a topic "is any system profitable on a live account?"
And then the customer would create a topic "is any system profitable on a live account?"
Miembro desde Feb 22, 2011
posts 4573
Nov 26, 2013 at 23:13
yes there are, I have a couple.
I have great one, perfect one :) some mediocre but all of them do create profit and I have 1 loosing!
The thing is what is your monthly profit expectation vs. risk :) acceptance.
I have great one, perfect one :) some mediocre but all of them do create profit and I have 1 loosing!
The thing is what is your monthly profit expectation vs. risk :) acceptance.
Miembro desde Jan 15, 2013
posts 224
Nov 26, 2013 at 23:48
http://www.myfxbook.com/strategies/all-strategies
see and choose which one you like from the list. And usualy they provide low price EA too. Very easy right?
see and choose which one you like from the list. And usualy they provide low price EA too. Very easy right?
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Nov 27, 2013 at 13:30
(editado Nov 27, 2013 at 13:34)
As the EAs are having good advantages, of course the have a lots of disadvantages ... That what I can say as I have an Experience over 6 years and I used EAs and designed EAs as well in the end .... they have a short breath 😀.
But as for manual trading it's a lots of great advantages more, just if you know what you are doing ... otherwise you can simply hire an experienced trader who can take care of your Fund ..
Best Regards,
FXSSD
But as for manual trading it's a lots of great advantages more, just if you know what you are doing ... otherwise you can simply hire an experienced trader who can take care of your Fund ..
Best Regards,
FXSSD
SPREAD YOUR WINGS AND FLY HIGH!
forex_trader_162392
Miembro desde Nov 14, 2013
posts 6
Nov 27, 2013 at 14:51
Hi all
EA could be profitable in real and in long term, but very difficult to write with MQL cause of its lake of power, no debugger etc
Mine is written in power language with SQL (Windev) and drive multi MT4 via an API
cheers
Philippe
EA could be profitable in real and in long term, but very difficult to write with MQL cause of its lake of power, no debugger etc
Mine is written in power language with SQL (Windev) and drive multi MT4 via an API
cheers
Philippe
Miembro desde Dec 15, 2010
posts 784
Nov 27, 2013 at 16:24
I just finnished my lastest EA. THe problem with any kind of trading is the risk. My latest EA is built for slow growth and safer risk.( not so safe, its a martigale with hedging) Im just tired of blown accounts. 2 to 4 percent growth a month is good with me and thats my atttempt on my newest robot setup. 8 years trading and Im still learning , I have to slow down to sucessful in the long run.
Click on my Name to see My Live Charts and Bio.
Miembro desde Feb 22, 2011
posts 4573
Jan 31, 2014 at 07:32
M_trader posted:LucidMind posted:
yes there is :) My system produces profits on my live account. But I would never sell it as cheap as "autotrading"
yes! there's mine too, but i agree with LucidMind i'm not going to sell it.
Why wouldn't you sell it? If the system is working you can share it with traders so they can make profit. And you can have part of that profit for you.
forex_trader_172400
Miembro desde Jan 17, 2014
posts 14
Jan 31, 2014 at 09:34
We're 1 good example of a profitable EA, check out our profile. It is not for sale, only lease through signal service ( any FX broker).
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/PipInvestor/pip-investor-forex-signal-service/810373
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/PipInvestor/pip-investor-forex-signal-service/810373
