Who can earn 100% return a month with a DD below 50% and on a regular basis?
Dec 09, 2015 at 05:49
OK, I already know what 80% of the comments are going to be so let me state this right off the bat, I'm not trying to find someone to manage millions of dollars. I'm not looking for a safe and secure investment. I'm looking for those risk takers with some skill. I'm just curious, that's all. Hoping a few people would like to share their progress.
So for the sake of this thread, the only requirements are:
1. 100% monthly return or greater
2. Max draw down of 50%
If you have an account making 95% return with 10% DD, please don't post it here (send me a PM though 'cause I'll totally follow you with real money...lol)
So for the sake of this thread, the only requirements are:
1. 100% monthly return or greater
2. Max draw down of 50%
If you have an account making 95% return with 10% DD, please don't post it here (send me a PM though 'cause I'll totally follow you with real money...lol)
You've gotta be in it to win it.
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Dec 09, 2015 at 07:15
Basically you are looking for a strategy with Monthly Profit : DD Ratio of at least 2:1 and with a reasonably long track record, I guess... So even if the profit did not reach 100%+ per month, you could still scale it up to your risk level.
Well, you may get a few offers about MartiGrid strategies, and yes, they could fulfill your criteria - WHILE THEY LAST.
If we exclude MartiGrids, then I am also curious if any - non-Grid - strategy would show up in this thread, as there is none on:
1. AutoTrade
2. SignalStart or
3. ConnectForex.
So what are the chances that one will pop up here...?? We shall see...
Well, you may get a few offers about MartiGrid strategies, and yes, they could fulfill your criteria - WHILE THEY LAST.
If we exclude MartiGrids, then I am also curious if any - non-Grid - strategy would show up in this thread, as there is none on:
1. AutoTrade
2. SignalStart or
3. ConnectForex.
So what are the chances that one will pop up here...?? We shall see...
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Dec 09, 2015 at 08:22
(editado Dec 09, 2015 at 08:24)
FxMasterGuru posted:
Basically you are looking for a strategy with Monthly Profit : DD Ratio of at least 2:1 and with a reasonably long track record, I guess... So even if the profit did not reach 100%+ per month, you could still scale it up to your risk level.
Well, you may get a few offers about MartiGrid strategies, and yes, they could fulfill your criteria - WHILE THEY LAST.
If we exclude MartiGrids, then I am also curious if any - non-Grid - strategy would show up in this thread, as there is none on:
1. AutoTrade
2. SignalStart or
3. ConnectForex.
So what are the chances that one will pop up here...?? We shall see...
Yes. Agreed. So we can add that all accounts with Monthly Profit : DD Ratio of at least 2:1 will be acceptable since it could be scaled.
Also, no MartiGrid strategies.
And NO CUSTOM START DATES. Sorry. Clean records only.
Good points.
You've gotta be in it to win it.
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Dec 09, 2015 at 12:05
(editado Dec 09, 2015 at 12:11)
As predicted the first offered strategy was a MartiGrid by Leng Kai.
The reason I am also curious if any strategy would match MrTodd's criteria is beacuse in February of 2013 (almost 3 years ago) I have started a thread with the title: '5% average monthly profit for at least 2 years (with less than 25% max. DD)'. In other words with less strict R:R criteria (1:5 instead of 2:1) but with more strict longevity requirement.
(https://www.myfxbook.com/community/experienced-traders/5-average-monthly-profit-for/494885,56#?pt=2&p=1&ts=551&o=494885)
Well, until today NO SINGLE STRATEGY could match these criteria, i.e. no strategy could achieve even the SUBOPTIMAL 1:5 Monthly Profit : Max. DD ratio for at least 2 years.
I guess the above fact tells a lot about the chances of finding a non-Grid strategy with the OPTIMAL 2:1 Monthly Profit : Max DD ratio...
In general, this fact also gives a (strong) hint about 'Average Trader Joe's' chances of making a living from Forex...
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P.S. The below are fine examples of the predictable fate of all GRID strategies (even without the Martingale factor).
The 'famous' (well, now the 'infamous') Caesar strategies:
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/caesar2icma/737724
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/fxprimusc21/1364505
The reason I am also curious if any strategy would match MrTodd's criteria is beacuse in February of 2013 (almost 3 years ago) I have started a thread with the title: '5% average monthly profit for at least 2 years (with less than 25% max. DD)'. In other words with less strict R:R criteria (1:5 instead of 2:1) but with more strict longevity requirement.
(https://www.myfxbook.com/community/experienced-traders/5-average-monthly-profit-for/494885,56#?pt=2&p=1&ts=551&o=494885)
Well, until today NO SINGLE STRATEGY could match these criteria, i.e. no strategy could achieve even the SUBOPTIMAL 1:5 Monthly Profit : Max. DD ratio for at least 2 years.
I guess the above fact tells a lot about the chances of finding a non-Grid strategy with the OPTIMAL 2:1 Monthly Profit : Max DD ratio...
In general, this fact also gives a (strong) hint about 'Average Trader Joe's' chances of making a living from Forex...
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
P.S. The below are fine examples of the predictable fate of all GRID strategies (even without the Martingale factor).
The 'famous' (well, now the 'infamous') Caesar strategies:
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/caesar2icma/737724
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/togr/fxprimusc21/1364505
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Dec 09, 2015 at 12:07
FxMasterGuru posted:
As predicted the first offered strategy was a MartiGrid by Leng Kai.
The reason I am also curious if any strategy would match MrTodd's criteria is beacuse in February of 2013 (almost 3 years ago) I have started a thread with the title: '5% average monthly profit for at least 2 years (with less than 25% max. DD)'. In other words with less strict R:R criteria (1:5 instead of 2:1) but with more strict longevityparameter.
(https://www.myfxbook.com/community/experienced-traders/5-average-monthly-profit-for/494885,56#?pt=2&p=1&ts=551&o=494885)
Well, until today NO SINGLE STRATEGY could match these criteria, i.e. no strategy could achieve even the SUBOPTIMAL 1:5 Monthly Profit : Max. DD ratio for at least 2 years.
I guess the above fact tells a lot about the chances of finding a non-Grid strategy with the OPTIMAL 2:1 Monthly Profit : Max DD ratio...
In general, this fact also gives a (strong) hint about 'Average Trader Joe's' chances of making a living from Forex...
I agree. I've followed that thread in hopes of finding someone that could match that criteria. Why do people keep posting their accounts when they don't fit the criteria you posted? LOL. Frustrating.
You've gotta be in it to win it.
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Dec 09, 2015 at 12:13
mrtodd posted:FxMasterGuru posted:
As predicted the first offered strategy was a MartiGrid by Leng Kai.
The reason I am also curious if any strategy would match MrTodd's criteria is beacuse in February of 2013 (almost 3 years ago) I have started a thread with the title: '5% average monthly profit for at least 2 years (with less than 25% max. DD)'. In other words with less strict R:R criteria (1:5 instead of 2:1) but with more strict longevityparameter.
(https://www.myfxbook.com/community/experienced-traders/5-average-monthly-profit-for/494885,56#?pt=2&p=1&ts=551&o=494885)
Well, until today NO SINGLE STRATEGY could match these criteria, i.e. no strategy could achieve even the SUBOPTIMAL 1:5 Monthly Profit : Max. DD ratio for at least 2 years.
I guess the above fact tells a lot about the chances of finding a non-Grid strategy with the OPTIMAL 2:1 Monthly Profit : Max DD ratio...
In general, this fact also gives a (strong) hint about 'Average Trader Joe's' chances of making a living from Forex...
I agree. I've followed that thread in hopes of finding someone that could match that criteria. Why do people keep posting their accounts when they don't fit the criteria you posted? LOL. Frustrating.
Why....? I guess, because they CAN... and above all, they simply DON'T CARE...
Also, many traders want their '5 minutes of Fame', as showing off is an 'Ego Trip' for them.
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Dec 09, 2015 at 12:17
(editado Dec 09, 2015 at 12:18)
lengkai posted:
Here, triple the account in less than 1 month.
I 'wonder' why LengKai had hidden the rest of his Account History (see below)...
Could it be the -1.9% Monthly 'Profit' or the -60% DD...??
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Dec 09, 2015 at 12:18
FxMasterGuru posted:lengkai posted:
Here, triple the account in less than 1 month.
I 'wonder' why LengKai had hidden the rest of his Account History (see below)...
Ya, I always check the custom analysis...LOL
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Dec 09, 2015 at 12:21
Hi all, sorry dear seniors. Mind if I ask what is MartiGrid?
I use the custom analysis as I just started as an actual full time trader on 11.11.2015. You guys can feel free to check back my past history. It wasn't good those were the time when I was 21
I use the custom analysis as I just started as an actual full time trader on 11.11.2015. You guys can feel free to check back my past history. It wasn't good those were the time when I was 21
Strive to archive more.
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Dec 09, 2015 at 12:25
lengkai posted:
Hi all, sorry dear seniors. Mind if I ask what is MartiGrid?
I use the custom analysis as I just started as an actual full time trader on 11.11.2015. You guys can feel free to check back my past history. It wasn't good those were the time when I was 21
MartiGrid = Grid strategy with Martingale elements (i.e. increasing lot sizes at each new grid level when the price moves against the already established positions).
The question not IF, but WHEN such strategies fail. See the above 'Caesar' examples.
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Dec 09, 2015 at 14:04
Here it is:
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/CrazyTrader/fx-army-soldier-2/1334894
Only drawdown calculated by myfxbook is wrong (99.99%) Simply because I withdrawed more money than my Capital while I got opened winning position... In fact I withdraw money from current position as it is allowed by my broker.
At some point my capital was below 0 while equity covered all that.
My stopLoss was set that even if it got hit... my capital then would be positive....
Summary:
600% for the last 6 months => so 100% / per month in average
Provide 10% of million... if I lose it, max drawdown is 10% right!?
Result in 6 months => $500 000
Anyway, old myfxbook members and followers know I can achive this with my awesome swing signals.
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/CrazyTrader/fx-army-soldier-2/1334894
Only drawdown calculated by myfxbook is wrong (99.99%) Simply because I withdrawed more money than my Capital while I got opened winning position... In fact I withdraw money from current position as it is allowed by my broker.
At some point my capital was below 0 while equity covered all that.
My stopLoss was set that even if it got hit... my capital then would be positive....
Summary:
600% for the last 6 months => so 100% / per month in average
Provide 10% of million... if I lose it, max drawdown is 10% right!?
Result in 6 months => $500 000
Anyway, old myfxbook members and followers know I can achive this with my awesome swing signals.
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posts 5
Dec 09, 2015 at 14:37
drawdown means nothing
i store money out of my active account in another account.
why?
after the SNB descision and you get a shocker move
what if the broker doesnt honor your stops or you get filled at some stupid rate
or the spreads widen and therefore again, your stops arent hit at the price you want.
Secondary backup?
have some profits in another 2nd account and you can sweep those funds in and out if you want by simply
jumpng online.
My point is .. drawdown figures with
eg.
$500 in account
$250 loss (50% DD)
Max loss is $500
but you might have $3k in the other account as surplus.
i store money out of my active account in another account.
why?
after the SNB descision and you get a shocker move
what if the broker doesnt honor your stops or you get filled at some stupid rate
or the spreads widen and therefore again, your stops arent hit at the price you want.
Secondary backup?
have some profits in another 2nd account and you can sweep those funds in and out if you want by simply
jumpng online.
My point is .. drawdown figures with
eg.
$500 in account
$250 loss (50% DD)
Max loss is $500
but you might have $3k in the other account as surplus.
Dec 09, 2015 at 14:39
asitejust4u posted:
drawdown means nothing
i store money out of my active account in another account.
why?
after the SNB descision and you get a shocker move
what if the broker doesnt honor your stops or you get filled at some stupid rate
or the spreads widen and therefore again, your stops arent hit at the price you want.
Secondary backup?
have some profits in another 2nd account and you can sweep those funds in and out if you want by simply
jumpng online.
My point is .. drawdown figures with
eg.
$500 in account
$250 loss (50% DD)
Max loss is $500
but you might have $3k in the other account as surplus.
That doesn't make any sense. I understand what you're doing and why but that has NOTHING to do with draw down. Withdraws are not calculated as draw down.
You've gotta be in it to win it.
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posts 1718
Dec 09, 2015 at 14:43
Drawdown is based on Capital...
A negative capital make no sense into their calculation... but in pratical it can bee done.
A negative capital make no sense into their calculation... but in pratical it can bee done.
Dec 09, 2015 at 15:07
CrazyTrader posted:
Drawdown is based on Capital...
A negative capital make no sense into their calculation... but in pratical it can bee done.
Myfxbook does not calculate draw down based on capital withdraws
You've gotta be in it to win it.
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Dec 09, 2015 at 15:08
(editado Dec 09, 2015 at 15:08)
Do you think withdraws affect Capital?
Miembro desde Nov 21, 2011
posts 1718
Dec 09, 2015 at 15:11
Obviously yes, therefore, DD is impacted by withdraws... simple as that
