Huge leak of confidential documents. The Panama Papers.
Apr 04, 2016 at 06:37
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Ahli sejak Jul 01, 2015
16 hantaran
Apr 04, 2016 at 06:37
How the world’s rich and famous hide their money offshore.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-35918844
https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/panama-papers
Just sharing with You, my dear community, a very interesting read 😉
I would like to here some of You're opinions on the matter.
This leakage is a real 'Worldwide Earthquake', I'm telling You 😂
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-35918844
https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/panama-papers
Just sharing with You, my dear community, a very interesting read 😉
I would like to here some of You're opinions on the matter.
This leakage is a real 'Worldwide Earthquake', I'm telling You 😂
Ahli sejak Apr 05, 2016
2 hantaran
Apr 05, 2016 at 06:36
It's good to see countries like Iceland standing up and pushing for a vote of no-confidence... Unfortunately it won't have the same effect in AUS/NZ/CAN/UK/USA as the people are too apathetic. *sigh*
why be there, when I can be here?
Ahli sejak Dec 11, 2015
1487 hantaran
Apr 07, 2016 at 09:52
(disunting Apr 07, 2016 at 09:52)
Is anyone actually surprised that so many rich people seek to conceal their money? I think it would've been a shock if they weren't doing it. Still, it's scandalous that we got proof of it.
Ahli sejak Sep 20, 2014
365 hantaran
Apr 07, 2016 at 11:29
(disunting Apr 07, 2016 at 11:59)
Why is it scandalous ?
I have offshore companies and banks accounts. Not breaking any laws or even trying to avoid tax. Simply placing my assets in a safer jurisdiction than the western banking system. Read bail in's. We have years of asset confiscation ahead if not decades. If you try confiscate assets it's called theft. If a government does it, it's suddenly ok.
It also makes perfect sense from an estate planning point of view, it takes about 2 year to wind up an estate and you lose up to 50% of your estate to lawyers and government taxes after spending most off your available lifetime already paying ridiculous taxes. So why must your loved ones sit there for years with no funds while the government, lawyers and banks help themselves ?
The modern tax system is immoral. Not only are we taxed to death, your taxes are used for spying, endless wars and to bailout to big to fail banks and corrupt and over spending big governments whose sole purpose is ensuring your servitude. Why would anyone even participate in such a system ?
If you're not in a offshore jurisdiction you're an idiot quite frankly. And clever people are rich precisely because they're clever. It's only logical that they'll end up offshore.
I have offshore companies and banks accounts. Not breaking any laws or even trying to avoid tax. Simply placing my assets in a safer jurisdiction than the western banking system. Read bail in's. We have years of asset confiscation ahead if not decades. If you try confiscate assets it's called theft. If a government does it, it's suddenly ok.
It also makes perfect sense from an estate planning point of view, it takes about 2 year to wind up an estate and you lose up to 50% of your estate to lawyers and government taxes after spending most off your available lifetime already paying ridiculous taxes. So why must your loved ones sit there for years with no funds while the government, lawyers and banks help themselves ?
The modern tax system is immoral. Not only are we taxed to death, your taxes are used for spying, endless wars and to bailout to big to fail banks and corrupt and over spending big governments whose sole purpose is ensuring your servitude. Why would anyone even participate in such a system ?
If you're not in a offshore jurisdiction you're an idiot quite frankly. And clever people are rich precisely because they're clever. It's only logical that they'll end up offshore.
Ahli sejak Feb 22, 2011
4862 hantaran
Apr 07, 2016 at 13:01
theHand posted:
Why is it scandalous ?
I have offshore companies and banks accounts. Not breaking any laws or even trying to avoid tax. Simply placing my assets in a safer jurisdiction than the western banking system. Read bail in's. We have years of asset confiscation ahead if not decades. If you try confiscate assets it's called theft. If a government does it, it's suddenly ok.
It also makes perfect sense from an estate planning point of view, it takes about 2 year to wind up an estate and you lose up to 50% of your estate to lawyers and government taxes after spending most off your available lifetime already paying ridiculous taxes. So why must your loved ones sit there for years with no funds while the government, lawyers and banks help themselves ?
The modern tax system is immoral. Not only are we taxed to death, your taxes are used for spying, endless wars and to bailout to big to fail banks and corrupt and over spending big governments whose sole purpose is ensuring your servitude. Why would anyone even participate in such a system ?
If you're not in a offshore jurisdiction you're an idiot quite frankly. And clever people are rich precisely because they're clever. It's only logical that they'll end up offshore.
Even though I usually dont agree with your doomsayers view I have to admit I agree with you in this case.
Ahli sejak Sep 20, 2014
365 hantaran
Apr 07, 2016 at 13:13
@togr
I don't know why it's so hard for people to see what's right in front of them. Just look at defence spending for the last 24 months. Tells you everything you need to know.
Lucky there is hope as decentralisation slowly takes hold on banking and government. If the Pirate party does take Iceland, we will have the first precedent of a technology driven true democracy. Something I'm really looking forward to.
I don't know why it's so hard for people to see what's right in front of them. Just look at defence spending for the last 24 months. Tells you everything you need to know.
Lucky there is hope as decentralisation slowly takes hold on banking and government. If the Pirate party does take Iceland, we will have the first precedent of a technology driven true democracy. Something I'm really looking forward to.
Ahli sejak Feb 22, 2011
4862 hantaran
Apr 07, 2016 at 13:24
theHand posted:
@togr
I don't know why it's so hard for people to see what's right in front of them. Just look at defence spending for the last 24 months. Tells you everything you need to know.
Lucky there is hope as decentralisation slowly takes hold on banking and government. If the Pirate party does take Iceland, we will have the first precedent of a technology driven true democracy. Something I'm really looking forward to.
I would actually expect the defense budget to grow in recent situation.
It is the other way around though.
As well as the United States, Japan and Brazil had the biggest falls in defence spending between 2014 and 2015.
Ahli sejak Sep 20, 2014
365 hantaran
Apr 07, 2016 at 13:47
(disunting Apr 07, 2016 at 13:48)
Ahli sejak Feb 22, 2011
4862 hantaran
Apr 07, 2016 at 13:50
Also the percentage of GDP spent is decreasing
2011 4.6
2012 4.2
2013 3.8
2014 3.5
2011 4.6
2012 4.2
2013 3.8
2014 3.5
Ahli sejak Dec 11, 2015
1487 hantaran
Apr 08, 2016 at 08:11
Sometimes people consider it scandalous because in some countries moving your money in an offshore account is illegal. In other cases politicians - people who are supposed to be leading by example - are hiding their money away to avoid taxes. And then there's also the question about the origin of other people's money and whether or not they're not using said accounts to launder money they've profited from an illegal activity.
I am far from the thought that all people with money in offshore accounts are doing something fishy or scandalous, but sometimes some people can be suspicious.
I am far from the thought that all people with money in offshore accounts are doing something fishy or scandalous, but sometimes some people can be suspicious.
Ahli sejak May 11, 2011
235 hantaran
Apr 08, 2016 at 08:59
I think a vast majority of them will be legit. Unlike mlawson71's comment on countries that consider moving your money offshore as illegal... I know of no such countries. The big question will be, 'tax avoidance or tax evasion?', the latter being illegal. Many offshore investors will keep cash offshore to prevent double taxation and fees, their taxes on earnings are paid, but they choose to hold their capital offshore... that's ok. Money hidden in shell companies and who's tax to capital don't coincide will be the names countries will be interested in.
For every loss there should be at least an equal and opposite profit.
Ahli sejak Dec 11, 2015
1487 hantaran
Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50
I did not express myself well, for which I apologize. I was referring to hiding income in an offshore account for the purposes of tax evasion, which I am pretty sure is illegal in many places, hence scandalous, especially when people find out that politicians are doing it.
What is more, the same company has apparently been linked to financial entities funding terrorism and using the company to launder money to fund terrorism. Being even remotely related even by association to something like this can land a politician in an even bigger scandal than simply evading taxes.
What is more, the same company has apparently been linked to financial entities funding terrorism and using the company to launder money to fund terrorism. Being even remotely related even by association to something like this can land a politician in an even bigger scandal than simply evading taxes.
Ahli sejak Sep 20, 2014
365 hantaran
Apr 13, 2016 at 12:01
(disunting Apr 13, 2016 at 12:02)
@mlawson71
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Governments launder money at an industrial level and fund freedom fighters all the time. Just look at where ISIS came from. Through CIA, FBI, NSA or whatever security apparatus they have going.
I don't even think any modern war has been started by a real event. Bay of Tonkin comes to mind, 9/11 etc.
The only scandal here is our willingness to let them. And I think it's important to keep spreading this message.
I think the people using these services need medals. And I think we should all use it. If all of us banked in offshore jurisdictions maybe, just maybe big government would start getting the message.
And guess where the newest and best tax havens are now days ? Good 'ol USA...!
Do as I say, not do as I do...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-05/rotschild-admits-america-biggest-tax-haven-world-obama-slams-tax-evasion
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Governments launder money at an industrial level and fund freedom fighters all the time. Just look at where ISIS came from. Through CIA, FBI, NSA or whatever security apparatus they have going.
I don't even think any modern war has been started by a real event. Bay of Tonkin comes to mind, 9/11 etc.
The only scandal here is our willingness to let them. And I think it's important to keep spreading this message.
I think the people using these services need medals. And I think we should all use it. If all of us banked in offshore jurisdictions maybe, just maybe big government would start getting the message.
And guess where the newest and best tax havens are now days ? Good 'ol USA...!
Do as I say, not do as I do...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-05/rotschild-admits-america-biggest-tax-haven-world-obama-slams-tax-evasion
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