market price manipulation
Aug 11, 2015 at 06:28
705 Paparan
10 Replies
forex_trader_266712
Ahli sejak Aug 04, 2015
28 hantaran
Aug 11, 2015 at 06:28
So I looked around and checked out few high frequency trading technics and it seems like besides the algorithm soft the way the system is configured is that using large amount of capital (in billions) one can move the market price for a moment in ones favor (supply and demand obviously) and that the algorithmic soft is configured in the way that it enters and exits trades couple of times a second to enter move price take profit, what I am wondering about would it be possible for a retail trader to do that at the slower rate? for example take a slow time of the market with low volume and using large cap move the market 2 to 3 pips in your favor and close the trade, asking this just as a theory and the fact that algos are such a lengthy and complicated pain in the butt to write and never guaranteed the outcome
Ahli sejak Feb 12, 2010
7 hantaran
Aug 11, 2015 at 12:27
try to use punctuation
Ahli sejak Sep 20, 2014
365 hantaran
Aug 11, 2015 at 19:40
What @sabe said...
Ahli sejak Dec 16, 2011
297 hantaran
Aug 11, 2015 at 22:38
I think it is possible but you need to find a GOOD broker . Good broker dont come cheap u know . And U need to have a big capital ( millions ) if you want to play big . . All so you need to have a big balls but that is optional 😀
Ahli sejak Sep 20, 2014
365 hantaran
Aug 12, 2015 at 05:55
And of course understand what the HFT guys do. And they don't use billions to push markets around. They front run big orders.
forex_trader_266712
Ahli sejak Aug 04, 2015
28 hantaran
Aug 12, 2015 at 06:22
wow .... thanks for advice go parse your ELF
forex_trader_266712
Ahli sejak Aug 04, 2015
28 hantaran
Aug 12, 2015 at 06:26
DrVodka posted:
I think it is possible but you need to find a GOOD broker . Good broker dont come cheap u know . And U need to have a big capital ( millions ) if you want to play big . . All so you need to have a big balls but that is optional 😀
well I thinking theres a way to play safe with that a long as you're ok loosing 1% of the account you know enter with -1% stop if it does work market moves and you take profit and if it does work the point been is that then you wont have to worry about loosing but keep a stop just in cause higher volume goes against you ...theoretically
Ahli sejak Aug 04, 2015
124 hantaran
Aug 12, 2015 at 06:30
Rainfall0204 posted:
So I looked around and checked out few high frequency trading technics and it seems like besides the algorithm soft the way the system is configured is that using large amount of capital (in billions) one can move the market price for a moment in ones favor (supply and demand obviously) and that the algorithmic soft is configured in the way that it enters and exits trades couple of times a second to enter move price take profit, what I am wondering about would it be possible for a retail trader to do that at the slower rate? for example take a slow time of the market with low volume and using large cap move the market 2 to 3 pips in your favor and close the trade, asking this just as a theory and the fact that algos are such a lengthy and complicated pain in the butt to write and never guaranteed the outcome
Could you please make your idea in brief/short to understand.. 😁
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Ahli sejak Dec 16, 2011
297 hantaran
Aug 12, 2015 at 22:52
Rainfall0204 posted:DrVodka posted:
I think it is possible but you need to find a GOOD broker . Good broker dont come cheap u know . And U need to have a big capital ( millions ) if you want to play big . . All so you need to have a big balls but that is optional 😀
well I thinking theres a way to play safe with that a long as you're ok loosing 1% of the account you know enter with -1% stop if it does work market moves and you take profit and if it does work the point been is that then you wont have to worry about loosing but keep a stop just in cause higher volume goes against you ...theoretically
i think in HFT 1 % is allot . i heard they do 100s of orders a second/minute 100 x 1 = 100 % . Then you all so need an algoritm who is going to guarantee you at list 2-3 pips every time . im sure you can find set ups like that and program it in to EA or something .
Ahli sejak Sep 20, 2014
365 hantaran
Aug 13, 2015 at 06:10
(disunting Aug 13, 2015 at 06:10)
No you can't @DrVodka. The retail fxbrokers don't want the volume, nor can the platforms handle it. O crashes if one trader is trying to handle 100 000 trades. I've been there, got that T-shirt.
You have to be interbank with your own code written specifically to handle those volumes. That means tens to hundreds of millions and access to the various banks order books. HFT doesn't work if you can't see the order book.
HFT guys are active in FX, but not as retail traders. And it's not 100's of orders per second, it's thousands.
You have to be interbank with your own code written specifically to handle those volumes. That means tens to hundreds of millions and access to the various banks order books. HFT doesn't work if you can't see the order book.
HFT guys are active in FX, but not as retail traders. And it's not 100's of orders per second, it's thousands.
forex_trader_266712
Ahli sejak Aug 04, 2015
28 hantaran
Aug 13, 2015 at 06:43
DrVodka posted:Rainfall0204 posted:DrVodka posted:
I think it is possible but you need to find a GOOD broker . Good broker dont come cheap u know . And U need to have a big capital ( millions ) if you want to play big . . All so you need to have a big balls but that is optional 😀
well I thinking theres a way to play safe with that a long as you're ok loosing 1% of the account you know enter with -1% stop if it does work market moves and you take profit and if it does work the point been is that then you wont have to worry about loosing but keep a stop just in cause higher volume goes against you ...theoretically
i think in HFT 1 % is allot . i heard they do 100s of orders a second/minute 100 x 1 = 100 % . Then you all so need an algoritm who is going to guarantee you at list 2-3 pips every time . im sure you can find set ups like that and program it in to EA or something .
yes you are right I am sure they are using some kind of safety switch 5 consecutive loosing trades or something I do that if I have 3 consecutive loses for the day or loose more then 5% I stop
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