Inverse Pairs | Diễn đàn Forex của Myfxbook

Hill

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 06:24

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Could anyone tell me if there are inverse pairs. Say one pair goes up the other goes down. Is there a list somewhere on the correlation of pairs? How one pair reacts to other pairs.

Thanks

forex_trader_28881

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 10:55

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

https://www.forexticket.co.uk/en/tools/01-01-correlation

eurusd and usdchf have a correlation of about -80%, so one goes up, other goes down.

Hill

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 11:26

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Thanks so much for the chart. Now there should be some way to trade this.

PayPip

Tham gia từ Sep 04, 2009 28bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 11:29

Tham gia từ Sep 04, 2009 28bài viết

audusd / usdcad

is my preferred inverse pairing

I just trade.

forex_trader_28881

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 11:37

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

There is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pairs_trading

forex_trader_28881

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 11:40 (đã sửa Apr 10, 2012 at 11:41)

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

But for this kind of trading you got to know your shit. Betting x cents a pip just doesn't cut it. Got to be able to work out position values and basically a whole pile of things that Metatrader just doesn't even begin to cover.

Oanda reports a bit more but in the end you'll need to be able to do the math via spreedsheets mostly as this information just isn't available freely.

forex_trader_28881

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 11:45

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

The amateur way of doing it is to overlay two data series on a chart - lets say eurusd and gbpusd, as they move further apart bet they will towards each other. Simple as that.

forex_trader_28881

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 11:51 (đã sửa Apr 10, 2012 at 11:54)

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

What is brilliant about this is that it moves you beyond indicators, which is where 99% of traders get stuck. I haven't bothered with indicators for years. Load of crock.

Bending your mind around this lot will get you into the right concepts to make fx work for you. You'll notice after a while that you don't even bother with indicators and you'll probably do better than ever. See it starts becoming about position sizing. When to own more, when to own less and so on...and that is key to fx.

forex_trader_28881

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 11:58

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

And the math is freely available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_and_dependence

PayPip

Tham gia từ Sep 04, 2009 28bài viết

Apr 10, 2012 at 21:37

Tham gia từ Sep 04, 2009 28bài viết

TheCyclist posted:
What is brilliant about this is that it moves you beyond indicators, which is where 99% of traders get stuck. I haven't bothered with indicators for years. Load of crock.

Bending your mind around this lot will get you into the right concepts to make fx work for you. You'll notice after a while that you don't even bother with indicators and you'll probably do better than ever. See it starts becoming about position sizing. When to own more, when to own less and so on...and that is key to fx.

Agreed, Its not really brilliant its called trading. It's nothing more than portfolio management and once you get it you really don't even need to look at a chart let alone any indicators. Consider it old school tape reading and portfolio management.

I just trade.

Hill

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Apr 11, 2012 at 06:22

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

I am really looking forward to getting into this. It seems that everything that I do is wrong, just kidding. I do enough wrong to make myself think that way. Seems that if I traded the inverse of what I think I would be a real trader.

With the above being said, I would like to learn this mentality. I had the idea of inverse pairs about five years ago a could not get anywhere with it. I traded other ways and lost enough that I dropped out of trading.

I would like to ask this. As I dig deeper into this train of thought and I get ready to place a few trades----would it be OK if I posted my thought process in this thread. I will do this ahead of time maybe a day and get input on the trades----guidance if you want to call it that. Maybe you guys could tell me if I am going about this in the wrong thought pattern before I place the trade.

This thread has been so helpful. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

Another question, Do you trade with EAs.

Thanks Dale

Hill

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Apr 11, 2012 at 06:23

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Been looking for the right correlation indicator. Does anyone have a good one in mind?

Hill

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Apr 11, 2012 at 06:23

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Think I found it.😁😲

forex_trader_28881

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

Apr 11, 2012 at 06:34 (đã sửa Apr 11, 2012 at 06:35)

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

I use EA's but I prefer using a JAVA API. Lot quicker.

If you have questions ask, if I can answer it I will, don't mind helping out a bit.

Hill

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Apr 11, 2012 at 20:44

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

OK, things going pretty good here for a start. Could you point me in the direction of the JAVA API. and the EAs is that something that you developed, bought or are there free ones floating around.

Hill

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Apr 11, 2012 at 20:45

Tham gia từ Mar 14, 2012 12bài viết

Things that I forgot to ask.

Money management I am looking at .02 per trade which will be less with the proper stops. Any suggestions

Pitfalls on this type of trading----what to look out for?

What timeframe do you consider the best?

forex_trader_73122

Tham gia từ Apr 11, 2012 28bài viết

Apr 11, 2012 at 20:48

Tham gia từ Apr 11, 2012 28bài viết

Hill posted:
Could anyone tell me if there are inverse pairs. Say one pair goes up the other goes down. Is there a list somewhere on the correlation of pairs? How one pair reacts to other pairs.

Thanks

For how long have you been investing using this approach? I am interested.

Midoru

Tham gia từ Apr 22, 2010 15bài viết

Apr 11, 2012 at 23:22

Tham gia từ Apr 22, 2010 15bài viết

Money management I am looking at .02 per trade which will be less with the proper stops. Any suggestions

Stops are not a part of this technique, therefore lot size should not be more than .1:1

I posted a video called The Midas Formula. Maybe check that out for ideas and think on the part about dynamic hedging.

Also, best to choose pair combinations with net positive carry.

forex_trader_28881

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

Apr 12, 2012 at 01:39 (đã sửa Apr 12, 2012 at 01:57)

Tham gia từ Feb 07, 2011 724bài viết

API : https://fxtrade.oanda.com/trade-forex/api/

EA's I did my own, not for sale or available. Never really looked at other peoples EA's.

This approach is not about time frames. They don't feature. Eur is what it is on 5 min, 3 hour or daily, the current price is the current price on ALL time frames. I wouldn't use any indicator you can just load of the net as well. The math is readily available. Study it, use it. You have no idea what's in that indicator, so it might scupper you before you even start.

This approach is very much not about indicators anyway. It's about current price and relationships.

MM of 0.2 - I have no idea what that means.

What's the current relationship, what is the historical relationship? In terms of that relationship how much do you own and should you own right now?

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