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Apr 23, 2012 at 13:20
all at the same time you cant
you have to be satisfied with the DD of 1 currency at a time.
there is a web site where you can publish multiple back test files, and the system merge all together
but I m not sure if the results will be good and the DD correlated efficiently.
(I dont remember the url of this site)
you have to be satisfied with the DD of 1 currency at a time.
there is a web site where you can publish multiple back test files, and the system merge all together
but I m not sure if the results will be good and the DD correlated efficiently.
(I dont remember the url of this site)
Apr 23, 2012 at 13:47
I'm not a big fan of back testing as it totally eliminates slippage, spread variation and allows EAs to do 40 or 50 transactions per second. In the real world you are pushing to get 3 transactions per second.
Back testing is good to sell EAs though ;)
Back testing is good to sell EAs though ;)
No ROI in a dead account
Apr 23, 2012 at 14:01
Last sunday I spent 5 hours with one of my 2 Tradefort VPS accounts connected to a dead comliink. So if you see a long period of no trades you might want to check to make sure that it's still on a live connection.
If you are makeing less than 100% a month you aren't doing it right!
Apr 23, 2012 at 14:01
You might get away with .02 but if you use .05 I can pretty much guarentee your account will be toast today or tomorrow.
Sure you'll make more money but your drawdown will go up faster than your profits..
Sure you'll make more money but your drawdown will go up faster than your profits..
willgart posted:
well... its not a good idea.
BealBull posted:
No errors and no trades. Manually I did 4 trades and picked up around 180 Pips with a Lot size quite a bit bigger than the 0.01 Envy starter.
The Power and Trading accounts started with a HeadRoom of around 4,500. My account has around 45,000 HeadRoom. What this means to me is I have a massive margin reserve at the expense of ROI. I'm tempted to increase the opening Lot size from 0.01 to say 0.05 and still maintain a HeadRoom of around 9,000 or twice the HeadRoom amount of the Power and Trading accounts.
ask the forexenvy team to get the right setup for your account size. they provides the best setup.
with minimal risk, forexenvy can open 15 trades from 0.01 up to 12 lots (so a total of +-30lots for 1 currency only)
so if you have 2 currencies in this scenario, you'll have a minimum of 30 lots opened + the other currencies... this starts to be big...
you cn do some backtesting to see the result of your setup, and see the level of risk generated.
If you are makeing less than 100% a month you aren't doing it right!
Apr 23, 2012 at 14:03
I agree.
BealBull posted:
I'm not a big fan of back testing as it totally eliminates slippage, spread variation and allows EAs to do 40 or 50 transactions per second. In the real world you are pushing to get 3 transactions per second.
Back testing is good to sell EAs though ;)
but this forexenvy, the slippage & spread has near no effect. and if your broker provides fixed spread, the effect is almost inexistant.
and from an overall perspective, a back test give you some idea on how the EA lives and the type of movement we can expcect to see based on different market moves.
if you see a constant drop, you can expect the same result to your account... no? :)
Apr 23, 2012 at 15:51
sunday, evening the forex market was open, and 1 hour later i sa it still hadn't a connection, had to make it connect manual, its a creepy tough that it wouldn't reconnect automatic and stays like this for many hours.. :o
i use trading point as broker.
i use trading point as broker.
Apr 23, 2012 at 23:53
All OK now. Envy has opened trades on every chart. Forgot I had to enable Trading on EACH chart.
Anybody know why Envy Trading Point is making a lot more money than Envy Long/Short? Is Envy Trading using the Ultra Set files or is it a precursor of Envy 3.0?
Anybody know why Envy Trading Point is making a lot more money than Envy Long/Short? Is Envy Trading using the Ultra Set files or is it a precursor of Envy 3.0?
No ROI in a dead account
Apr 24, 2012 at 00:38
The risk is higher on this account. and both the long & short cycles are enabled.
BealBull posted:
All OK now. Envy has opened trades on every chart. Forgot I had to enable Trading on EACH chart.
Anybody know why Envy Trading Point is making a lot more money than Envy Long/Short? Is Envy Trading using the Ultra Set files or is it a precursor of Envy 3.0?
Personnaly I got 100% in march, the level of risk was high, but 100%... and long cycle only.
so we can have big differences based on the size of the account.
Apr 24, 2012 at 01:26
Hi Will,
I would have thought the set files would have adjusted the Envy settings to generate an equal risk level and ROI for each funding level. I noticed some of the setting did alter when I went from my initial $500 to $1,000. I seems as the funding increases, the entry Lots stays the same but the increased Lots used for loss recovery do increase, which makes sense as the increased funding generates more HeadRoom.
Envy Trading must be running more aggressive settings. Maybe the old Ultra settings? How do you think they increased risk? It still opens with 0.01 Lot trades. Anyway I have asked TE why Envy Trading is delivering a higher ROI than Envy Long/Short.
I'll plot how it trades and compare that to Envy Long/Short. IE, the rate it increases the Lot sizes when the market is moving against it.
100% ROI in March. I'm impressed. You much be VERY happy. You are running standard Envy set files?
I would have thought the set files would have adjusted the Envy settings to generate an equal risk level and ROI for each funding level. I noticed some of the setting did alter when I went from my initial $500 to $1,000. I seems as the funding increases, the entry Lots stays the same but the increased Lots used for loss recovery do increase, which makes sense as the increased funding generates more HeadRoom.
Envy Trading must be running more aggressive settings. Maybe the old Ultra settings? How do you think they increased risk? It still opens with 0.01 Lot trades. Anyway I have asked TE why Envy Trading is delivering a higher ROI than Envy Long/Short.
I'll plot how it trades and compare that to Envy Long/Short. IE, the rate it increases the Lot sizes when the market is moving against it.
100% ROI in March. I'm impressed. You much be VERY happy. You are running standard Envy set files?
No ROI in a dead account
Apr 24, 2012 at 01:40
in march the settings were the default one, only the long cycle...
but...
I got a margin call at the end of february ;)
using the long + short cycles with the sets from the team, instaforex remove the bonus... which cause the MC...
so I'm starting from the bottom in march... its why the risk was high. but I recover half of the lost in 1.5 month.
now I'm running long cycle, I have increased the initial lot size. So I keep an agressive set.
I also run 2 short cycle using the default settings.
and I monitor closely the activity.
I'm at 35% in april.
so I'm happy... forex envy works perfectly. but its very important to monitor it closely and to take care about the bonuses...
I'm curious to see the power edition in action...
but...
I got a margin call at the end of february ;)
using the long + short cycles with the sets from the team, instaforex remove the bonus... which cause the MC...
so I'm starting from the bottom in march... its why the risk was high. but I recover half of the lost in 1.5 month.
now I'm running long cycle, I have increased the initial lot size. So I keep an agressive set.
I also run 2 short cycle using the default settings.
and I monitor closely the activity.
I'm at 35% in april.
so I'm happy... forex envy works perfectly. but its very important to monitor it closely and to take care about the bonuses...
I'm curious to see the power edition in action...
Apr 24, 2012 at 02:28
Interesting idea. So you keep the TE set files for the more aggressive Short charts and have increased the Initial Lots to 0.02 for the more conservative Long charts? Did you do that for all 9 Long charts?
Yes Envy 3.0 and Power Envy will be interesting. If I can get 40% ROI per month and feel confident there is sufficient Head Room, then the probability of a StopOut becomes very small and acceptable.
Yes Envy 3.0 and Power Envy will be interesting. If I can get 40% ROI per month and feel confident there is sufficient Head Room, then the probability of a StopOut becomes very small and acceptable.
No ROI in a dead account
Apr 24, 2012 at 02:50
Hi Will,
How do you get the rebates and how are they calculated? Is that something InstaForex does and credits to your account? They use a non standard Lot size of 10,000. if I may ask are you running a penny or dollar account and standard, mini or micro, what leverage?
Will compare it to these where I have used a standard account balance of $1,000 which is the investors funds plus the Bonus. Looks like I need to add Broker rebates to the Envy calculator.
InstaForex does generate the highest HeadRoom because of the 600 Leverage but it's deposit Bonus is smaller than TradeFort.
How do you get the rebates and how are they calculated? Is that something InstaForex does and credits to your account? They use a non standard Lot size of 10,000. if I may ask are you running a penny or dollar account and standard, mini or micro, what leverage?
Will compare it to these where I have used a standard account balance of $1,000 which is the investors funds plus the Bonus. Looks like I need to add Broker rebates to the Envy calculator.
InstaForex does generate the highest HeadRoom because of the 600 Leverage but it's deposit Bonus is smaller than TradeFort.
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No ROI in a dead account
Apr 24, 2012 at 03:07
I'm using the micro account, not the cents one.
the leverage is at 1000 for the moment.
and the rebates come from cashbackforex, which is 1.3 pips of rebates...
paid every 2 days in the trading account directly.
The rebates is 30% of the money wins from the trades in april.
with a mix of long + short cycles.
and only 10% of rebates in march with the long cycle only.
so the impact of the short cycle is big. maybe I'll run the short cycle only...
you can see the rebates in the official live accounts based on instaforex. all the small deposits...
in march... 9731$ win, 2300$ of rebates...
the leverage is at 1000 for the moment.
and the rebates come from cashbackforex, which is 1.3 pips of rebates...
paid every 2 days in the trading account directly.
The rebates is 30% of the money wins from the trades in april.
with a mix of long + short cycles.
and only 10% of rebates in march with the long cycle only.
so the impact of the short cycle is big. maybe I'll run the short cycle only...
you can see the rebates in the official live accounts based on instaforex. all the small deposits...
in march... 9731$ win, 2300$ of rebates...
Apr 24, 2012 at 03:37
Excellent. Thanks. Will have a closer look at the InstaForex statements.
Figured out one thing they did to Envy Trading Point to boost the ROI. BaseLotSize was altered form 0.01 to 0.02 from when the account was opened, 30 Dec 2011, until 4 Jan 2012. That was what caused the rapid initial growth you can see on the chart. From then on it was set back to the standard 0.01.
Can't tell from the statement if it was just the Longs. Suspect it was across the board as ALL trades in that period started out with a 0.02 Lot size.
They did an initial deposit of $90 on 12.30.2011 08:59 and a top up deposit of $27 on 01.04.2012 08:55. The first 0.01 opening trade was 01.04.2012 15:51. So it seems using 0.02 opens with a skinny balance (low HeadRoom) was not a good idea. They had a max $58.00 DD event 01.06.2012 which was probably caused by the earlier more aggressive 0.02 opens.
My concern is to learn how Envy scales / compounds with increasing account Balance. So far it seems Envy is a fixed size Lot trader and only scales, takes advantage of increased account Balances via new set files. Other than installing new set files, there is no compounding, which to me is one of the main attractions of Forex and the high liquidity.
Figured out one thing they did to Envy Trading Point to boost the ROI. BaseLotSize was altered form 0.01 to 0.02 from when the account was opened, 30 Dec 2011, until 4 Jan 2012. That was what caused the rapid initial growth you can see on the chart. From then on it was set back to the standard 0.01.
Can't tell from the statement if it was just the Longs. Suspect it was across the board as ALL trades in that period started out with a 0.02 Lot size.
They did an initial deposit of $90 on 12.30.2011 08:59 and a top up deposit of $27 on 01.04.2012 08:55. The first 0.01 opening trade was 01.04.2012 15:51. So it seems using 0.02 opens with a skinny balance (low HeadRoom) was not a good idea. They had a max $58.00 DD event 01.06.2012 which was probably caused by the earlier more aggressive 0.02 opens.
My concern is to learn how Envy scales / compounds with increasing account Balance. So far it seems Envy is a fixed size Lot trader and only scales, takes advantage of increased account Balances via new set files. Other than installing new set files, there is no compounding, which to me is one of the main attractions of Forex and the high liquidity.
No ROI in a dead account
Apr 24, 2012 at 04:25
Here is a study of Envy's loss recovery order size increases:
Symbol Power Trading Mine
EURUSD 0.01 0.01 0.01
EURUSD 0.01 0.01 0.01
EURUSD 0.02 0.02 0.02
EURUSD 0.03 0.03 0.04
EURUSD 0.05 0.05 0.06
EURUSD 0.08 0.08 0.12
EURUSD 0.14 0.13 0.23
EURUSD 0.25 0.22 0.43
EURUSD 0.44 0.38 0.83
EURUSD 0.77 0.66 1.57
EURUSD 1.35 1.14 2.90
Shows Envy Power is more aggressive when sizing Lots for loss recovery than Trading but not as aggressive as my settings. Not by a lot but maybe that is all it takes. My larger Lot increases may be due to having a lot more HeadRoom to handle the necessary margin requirements.
Symbol Power Trading Mine
EURUSD 0.01 0.01 0.01
EURUSD 0.01 0.01 0.01
EURUSD 0.02 0.02 0.02
EURUSD 0.03 0.03 0.04
EURUSD 0.05 0.05 0.06
EURUSD 0.08 0.08 0.12
EURUSD 0.14 0.13 0.23
EURUSD 0.25 0.22 0.43
EURUSD 0.44 0.38 0.83
EURUSD 0.77 0.66 1.57
EURUSD 1.35 1.14 2.90
Shows Envy Power is more aggressive when sizing Lots for loss recovery than Trading but not as aggressive as my settings. Not by a lot but maybe that is all it takes. My larger Lot increases may be due to having a lot more HeadRoom to handle the necessary margin requirements.
No ROI in a dead account
Apr 24, 2012 at 06:22
(編集済みのApr 24, 2012 at 06:36)
I have taken the data from the 4 Envy accounts and sorted it to show the best $/trade broken down in 4 ways. Sure shows that some symbols and trade directions are making a lot of money and other are not doing as well. Enjoy.
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Apr 24, 2012 at 06:42
(編集済みのApr 24, 2012 at 06:43)
Sorted by best $ / Trade / direction / account.
Ranges from:
Power.....USDJPY.....Buy.....$0.695 / Trade
Longs.....USDJPY.....Sell......$0.320 / Trade
down to:
Trading....GBPUSD....Buy....$0.019 / Trade
Trading....USDCAD....Sell....$0.016 / Trade
Ranges from:
Power.....USDJPY.....Buy.....$0.695 / Trade
Longs.....USDJPY.....Sell......$0.320 / Trade
down to:
Trading....GBPUSD....Buy....$0.019 / Trade
Trading....USDCAD....Sell....$0.016 / Trade
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Apr 24, 2012 at 07:18
(編集済みのApr 24, 2012 at 07:23)
Results in real $ per Envy account:
LS..........$683.32 P/L....$0.059 / Trade
Short......$594.43 P/L....$0.082 / Trade
Trading...$332.71 P/L....$0.046 /Trade
Power.....$221.23 P/L....$0.090 / Trade
Power achieves almost twice the $ / Trade as does the average of LS and Trading @ $0.052 / Trade.
LS..........$683.32 P/L....$0.059 / Trade
Short......$594.43 P/L....$0.082 / Trade
Trading...$332.71 P/L....$0.046 /Trade
Power.....$221.23 P/L....$0.090 / Trade
Power achieves almost twice the $ / Trade as does the average of LS and Trading @ $0.052 / Trade.
No ROI in a dead account
