The fallacy of Martingale/Grid systems
May 03 at 10:52
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May 03 at 10:52
The vast majority of martingale/grid grid systems, or variations of are destined to blow up accounts (or result in unrecoverable drawdown). New traders may not be aware of these gambling methods, which require a near infinite source of funds to pull off.
How to spot a martingale/grid system
1) Short account life.
2) Unrealistic equity curves that only ever go up (unless they blow up!).
3) Equity will have significant areas of drawdown if the account hasn't blown up.
4) Increasing position sizes as the account gets further into drawdown.
Be wary of these systems, they look great until they aren't. This is a form of time-based gambling. (an very small minority of scenarios may be an exception).
Example equity curve attached.
How to spot a martingale/grid system
1) Short account life.
2) Unrealistic equity curves that only ever go up (unless they blow up!).
3) Equity will have significant areas of drawdown if the account hasn't blown up.
4) Increasing position sizes as the account gets further into drawdown.
Be wary of these systems, they look great until they aren't. This is a form of time-based gambling. (an very small minority of scenarios may be an exception).
Example equity curve attached.
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Member Since May 08, 2024
3 posts
May 11 at 04:38
(edited May 11 at 04:38)
I have yet to see one prune outlier trades effectively. I'm not saying it can't be done, it just I've never seen it. Anyone I have heard of that uses them, plans on running them until failure, while doing withdrawals until they blow up. Then they start over and see how far they can get.
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they are yours.
Member Since Jun 05, 2024
10 posts
Jun 05 at 13:01
Soooo many 'experts' are using martingale / grid systems it is shocking. I am surprised how long some of these systems work but eventually they always fail
Jun 15 at 07:04
Gwydaer posted:Dude, one thing you have to understand is that with any EA strategy, you have to have manual wind control or you may end up failing. This is because there are so many uncertainties in the market, such as the Fed meeting, or the monthly non-agricultural employment data.
The vast majority of martingale/grid grid systems, or variations of are destined to blow up accounts (or result in unrecoverable drawdown). New traders may not be aware of these gambling methods, which require a near infinite source of funds to pull off.
How to spot a martingale/grid system
1) Short account life.
2) Unrealistic equity curves that only ever go up (unless they blow up!).
3) Equity will have significant areas of drawdown if the account hasn't blown up.
4) Increasing position sizes as the account gets further into drawdown.
Be wary of these systems, they look great until they aren't. This is a form of time-based gambling. (an very small minority of scenarios may be an exception).
Example equity curve attached.
So, it is very necessary to trade with artificial dare and good risk control. Moreover, many trading strategies, can only be applied to a certain market situation, for example, some strategies are only applicable to the up and down vibration of the market, but in the unilateral market, it is easy to lose money.
Therefore, the strategy I use, with 24-hour manual risk control, 2 years of time, very stable.
Newton once said: If I can see farther than others, it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants.
Member Since Jun 12, 2024
6 posts
Jun 17 at 17:09
What do you mean by ' manual wind control '?
Jun 23 at 07:12
ScoutQueen posted:Because the machine can not recognize the reality of the situation, for example, today's meeting of the Federal Reserve announced a major decision, but the bot can not be recognized, this time the market appeared in the bot prediction of the opposite trend, then your bot trading strategy will be a serious loss.
What do you mean by ' manual wind control '?
Because the bot trading I used before had no human manual risk control, I ended up losing a lot of money.
Now I use bot trading strategy are manual risk control strategy.
Newton once said: If I can see farther than others, it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants.
Member Since May 17, 2024
3 posts
Jul 11 at 12:00
stalin22 posted:use it smart, or don't use it...
So what's the alternate solution for this?
Member Since Feb 21, 2024
2 posts
Jul 11 at 13:51
I use two martingal systems on gold...
I have drawdown protection on both, I turn it off at major events.
Runs great.
I have drawdown protection on both, I turn it off at major events.
Runs great.
Member Since Oct 29, 2009
76 posts
Jul 12 at 09:54
In some world they call it layering.... There are a lot of cases I see in ticktok that they just fill the screen with small little lots.
Quite interesting though... but Johnson's right use it smart or don't use it at all.
Quite interesting though... but Johnson's right use it smart or don't use it at all.
NEVER say DIE!!!
Member Since Jul 12, 2024
7 posts
Jul 12 at 10:37
OptiflowCapital posted:As with all martingale systems. It will run great......until is doesn't and your account will blow up
I use two martingal systems on gold...
I have drawdown protection on both, I turn it off at major events.
Runs great.
Jul 12 at 12:32
OptiflowCapital posted:Same here, it's not the system that matters, but the approach and methodology used to trade it. And, by the way, martingale is not the same as grid-based system, besides multiplying position sizes they have nothing it common.
I use two martingal systems on gold...
I have drawdown protection on both, I turn it off at major events.
Runs great.
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