Arbatov System (By Arbatov)
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Arbatov System Discussion
Aug 13, 2010 at 20:44
Zebra, chillax mate. Don't let your or somebody else's P/L get to you. 😀 I like your observations in general, but now I don't get what you mean. The site says 'Money-back was initiated by trader and is finished' which means Arbatov paid the customer duly.
Ouch! I see InstaForex uses MetaTrader platform:
'Trading platform InstaTrader is the most dynamically developing trading platform based on MetaTrader 4 terminal.'
Did you know there are all sorts of extensions for MetaTrader servers? Like the Virtual Dealer which delays execution, adds some random slippage etc. My personal favorite is the Trader Abuse Alarm tho - it alarms if someone wins too much. Get it? You win too much, it is abuse! I'm sure those bells are ringing at InstaForex! I'll try to attach the document.
Ouch! I see InstaForex uses MetaTrader platform:
'Trading platform InstaTrader is the most dynamically developing trading platform based on MetaTrader 4 terminal.'
Did you know there are all sorts of extensions for MetaTrader servers? Like the Virtual Dealer which delays execution, adds some random slippage etc. My personal favorite is the Trader Abuse Alarm tho - it alarms if someone wins too much. Get it? You win too much, it is abuse! I'm sure those bells are ringing at InstaForex! I'll try to attach the document.
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Surround yourself with people whose eyes light up when they see you and who have no agenda for your reform.
forex_trader_8139
Member Since Mar 04, 2010
423 posts
Aug 14, 2010 at 01:33
zebra posted:
pip2cash posted:YOUR HIS PARTNER?????
Hi gbptrades,
The PAMM account is not this account at myfxbook. They are 2 different accounts.
In addition, any deposit into PAMM account will NOT show as profit/gain in myfxbook. Only gain from trading will be shown as gain in myfxbook.
Regarding the 10% penalty, it is an agreement between trader and investor. If investors do not agree they should not invest into it. And 10% is the maximum allowed by Instaforex.
SIM
I hope i am his partner, so i can share what he has been gained.😉
SIM
forex_trader_8139
Member Since Mar 04, 2010
423 posts
Aug 14, 2010 at 01:49
zebra posted:
gbptrades posted:YES , you understand Now...
Ok, now I get it. His returns as shown on myfxbook are bogus. This account is a managed account with many clients who deposited around $100.00 for most of them. Only the first deposit is shown on myfxbook of $100.00. This is why he has his trades private, because then it would become obvious what is going on. He has modest profits for his clients about 10% or so. So Arbatov is misrepresenting himself trying to gain more clients. If you withdraw funds less than 30 days of deposit, he will take a 10% fee from you. haha.
AND now they Claim ( partners obviously0 that There are TWO accounts... NO, it is the same account. The account LINKED to MYFXBOOK, is the INSTAFOREX PAMM ACCOUNT. I have attached the Link in my other Post.
Here is another Example of another PAMM account... ALL OPEN Trade History.. 145% gain in two Months.. This trader had to ADD more funds to Prevent a Margin CALL. $90 Deposit... Then He blew his account on a BAD Silver TRade.. It is ALL in the History on the instaforex Pamm Monitoring page... It s a good example of what May happen On this System( ARBatov System)
instaforex.com/pamm_monitoring.php?user=7052718
BOOM + BUST.
Hi Zebra,
Are you sure the PAMM account is the same account with this account?
Because i have asked Arbatov before. He said it not same account.
But when ever he place a trade at here, he will also make the same move at PAMM account.
I try to observe about both account for 1 week. Both are not exactly same.
Regards,
SIM
Aug 14, 2010 at 08:51
Zebra, Sim
You guys can be sure the account posted here is not the same as the PAMM account. Is so simple to observe the balance from the PAMM acc is different than the one on myfxbook.com. As Arbatov said the 2 accounts are using the same system so is normal that to have same trades.
Anyway i invested $250 in Arbatov PAMM's acc and in 3 days i am up 15%.
So guys before post any stupid thoughts please take time and analyze if you are right or not.
@Arbatov : thanks dude and keep up the good work..
Regards,
Sebastian
You guys can be sure the account posted here is not the same as the PAMM account. Is so simple to observe the balance from the PAMM acc is different than the one on myfxbook.com. As Arbatov said the 2 accounts are using the same system so is normal that to have same trades.
Anyway i invested $250 in Arbatov PAMM's acc and in 3 days i am up 15%.
So guys before post any stupid thoughts please take time and analyze if you are right or not.
@Arbatov : thanks dude and keep up the good work..
Regards,
Sebastian
All i need is You LORD !!
forex_trader_16563
Member Since Aug 10, 2010
55 posts
Aug 14, 2010 at 09:24
Dont get me wrong, I joined too. Read my first post. I also noticed TODAY that it is 2 separate accounts. An easy comparison of Total Trades was sufficient for me. Why hide the broker? You got me. Pamm manipulation? Yes, as I pointed out.(Instaforex Pamm). This System account? We will never know, because of the Private Broker.. Still a Good Trader and opportunity? Yes Of course. a 30 Day Contract? Prevents people from bailing out and risking damage if there are open trades. Huge Gains? Anyone that can make 5% a day is a HERO. InstaForex broker? Broker Plugin (requotes) but doesn't hurt a swing trader much. Stupid Thoughts? All the time. Analyze the data? Its hard when trades are private, Broker is private. Conclusion? We are All Riding this one out. Either to the moon, or to the bottom of the Sea.
Aug 14, 2010 at 20:30
Of course there is a point about Arbatov's experience. His profile says more than 5 years. If he uses the same 'system' 5 years ago as he is using here, he should be a multimillionare by now and not looking to take on clients with only $100.00 minimum opening balance.
For Arbatov, how long have you been trading this style you use to trade the one you are showing on myfxbook?
Have you discovered something in the markets very recently that gives you such trading success? (I am not asking you to reveal it)
I fail to see why someone with over 4000% gain in a few months wants to trade other people's $100.00 accounts.
For Arbatov, how long have you been trading this style you use to trade the one you are showing on myfxbook?
Have you discovered something in the markets very recently that gives you such trading success? (I am not asking you to reveal it)
I fail to see why someone with over 4000% gain in a few months wants to trade other people's $100.00 accounts.
Member Since Aug 26, 2009
8 posts
Aug 15, 2010 at 11:49
i do not think he could repeat the same stunt of increasing 4000% in a few months. Anyway there must be some calculation error.
Aug 15, 2010 at 11:52
gbptrades posted:Hello.
Of course there is a point about Arbatov's experience. His profile says more than 5 years. If he uses the same 'system' 5 years ago as he is using here, he should be a multimillionare by now and not looking to take on clients with only $100.00 minimum opening balance.
For Arbatov, how long have you been trading this style you use to trade the one you are showing on myfxbook?
Have you discovered something in the markets very recently that gives you such trading success? (I am not asking you to reveal it)
I fail to see why someone with over 4000% gain in a few months wants to trade other people's $100.00 accounts.
The system I did two years. Has constantly improved. Eliminated early mistakes. Several months ago, has come in a conclusion, that the system is ready, and on her it is possible to trade publicly.
I have written in a structure that I work more than five years. But... Show me such trader who from first day started to earn from 4000 %??? I too had failures. And I think, the first years of the trade, payment for my training.
Yours faithfully, Arbatov.
Aug 15, 2010 at 11:55
jamestan1978 posted:Mistakes of calculation here, no any. That for you seems improbable result, for me today, simple job. 100 years ago, people considered, not probable, flight in space, or on the Moon. Today it is already normal.
i do not think he could repeat the same stunt of increasing 4000% in a few months. Anyway there must be some calculation error.
Member Since Aug 26, 2009
8 posts
Aug 16, 2010 at 02:23
Arbatov is good. i feel very comfortable with the way he trade actually. i have use a few forex managers and this guy I only have one word for him. that is steady.
Alot of managers needs min. 2000 or above but for him only $100.00 and even if lost its a small lost. but if he win its really good.
Good job and keep up the good work. I will be adding more funds very soon
Alot of managers needs min. 2000 or above but for him only $100.00 and even if lost its a small lost. but if he win its really good.
Good job and keep up the good work. I will be adding more funds very soon
Member Since Aug 26, 2009
8 posts
Aug 16, 2010 at 02:24
but just a question Arbatov, why you do not allow the same 4000% increase for the PAMM investors?
Aug 16, 2010 at 09:01
jamestan1978 posted:
Alot of managers needs min. 2000 or above but for him only $100.00 and even if lost its a small lost. but if he win its really good.
'if lost its a small lost' .. heh, this is called 'Gambling'. The main priority for a professional trader should be not losing capital. If losing capital is not important factor, its like any gambling: hoping to get big rewards but risking all...
And, if he makes a very big risk it does not mean that he is 'better' trader than those who make smaller profits with small risk. You can easily multiply the trade size/risk using professional traders signals and get also very big profits. They just dont do it like that because they do not want to lose clients capital...
Freedom is a paradox; To be free to play beautiful music, you have to submit to the rules of music.
forex_trader_8139
Member Since Mar 04, 2010
423 posts
Aug 16, 2010 at 09:21
Hi,
jpkfox, you are right, for me as an investor and invest 100 into this PAMM account, it is like gambling. Hand over money to some1 that i dont know, and also do not know how he use the money. I am gambling and placing a bet of 100 into the PAMM account.
This is not important.
The more important part is Mr. Arbatov do not gamble our $100. He trades it.
Regards,
SIM
jpkfox, you are right, for me as an investor and invest 100 into this PAMM account, it is like gambling. Hand over money to some1 that i dont know, and also do not know how he use the money. I am gambling and placing a bet of 100 into the PAMM account.
This is not important.
The more important part is Mr. Arbatov do not gamble our $100. He trades it.
Regards,
SIM
Aug 16, 2010 at 10:02
'Hand over money to some1 that i dont know, and also do not know how he use the money.'
But this can be avoided by checking their history properly ... using a lot of time for it. Like checking his live records for several years etc.
I would not invest to anything if I am not very sure about that it is profitable. There is a difference between gambling and being very sure of the result. Gambling is based (almost) purely on hope, the other one is based on knowledge and being 'very sure about something'.
'The more important part is Mr. Arbatov do not gamble our $100. He trades it.'
But how can *you* know this? By trusting what he says?? Thats the whole point here. *You* need to know that he is trading your money in a professional manner. And the only way to know is like I wrote before...to check the history.
Obviously , if you are here purely on gambling purposes (pure hope like in casinos) then its a different issue... I am not into that myself. Then I keep my mouth shut :) .
But this can be avoided by checking their history properly ... using a lot of time for it. Like checking his live records for several years etc.
I would not invest to anything if I am not very sure about that it is profitable. There is a difference between gambling and being very sure of the result. Gambling is based (almost) purely on hope, the other one is based on knowledge and being 'very sure about something'.
'The more important part is Mr. Arbatov do not gamble our $100. He trades it.'
But how can *you* know this? By trusting what he says?? Thats the whole point here. *You* need to know that he is trading your money in a professional manner. And the only way to know is like I wrote before...to check the history.
Obviously , if you are here purely on gambling purposes (pure hope like in casinos) then its a different issue... I am not into that myself. Then I keep my mouth shut :) .
Freedom is a paradox; To be free to play beautiful music, you have to submit to the rules of music.
forex_trader_8139
Member Since Mar 04, 2010
423 posts
Aug 16, 2010 at 10:13
Past history does not prove anything. I am 100% agree to this statement.
I know he trade it because, i always monitor his equity. Max floating trades are 2 (can see from PAMM account at Instaforex website). Equity not drop more than 10%. And when the equity is negative for more than a day, he will close those open positions with losses. At least i know he is not those guys without stop loss.
He refuses to make his trade public, we cannot do anything. Either believe him then invest or stay away.
If i say or comment to much here, someone will say i am his partner.
Regards,
SIM
I know he trade it because, i always monitor his equity. Max floating trades are 2 (can see from PAMM account at Instaforex website). Equity not drop more than 10%. And when the equity is negative for more than a day, he will close those open positions with losses. At least i know he is not those guys without stop loss.
He refuses to make his trade public, we cannot do anything. Either believe him then invest or stay away.
If i say or comment to much here, someone will say i am his partner.
Regards,
SIM
Aug 16, 2010 at 10:42
(edited Aug 16, 2010 at 10:43)
pip2cash posted:
Past history does not prove anything. I am 100% agree to this statement.
?? Past history *does* prove everything!! Thats what we are doing all the time: we look how the trader has performed *in the past* and make our conclusions according to that. If a trader has been good in the past he is very likely good in the future. This has been statistically proven....
pip2cash
I know he trade it because, i always monitor his equity. Max floating trades are 2 (can see from PAMM account at Instaforex website). Equity not drop more than 10%. And when the equity is negative for more than a day, he will close those open positions with losses. At least i know he is not those guys without stop loss.
Temporary equity movements dont prove much. The only important figure recarding to risk on a long hold is the maximum drawdown. The problem is that if the data is only for this year,maybe the major drawdown happened last year and thus the investor cannot know the real risk by only seeing this years history. Its (highly) possible that the risk is 100% bigger than it seems to be according to this years history.
pip2cash
He refuses to make his trade public, we cannot do anything. Either believe him then invest or stay away.
If he is your friend or brother then you could trust without evidence. A lot to do with the trust. I have couple of friends who trust my success only by me only *telling* it-and they are willing to invest. They trust that I am not lying about my success. And I am not :) . But if you are not my friend, you cannot possibly know it...
Freedom is a paradox; To be free to play beautiful music, you have to submit to the rules of music.
Member Since Aug 26, 2009
8 posts
Aug 16, 2010 at 12:44
well... trading forex is all about risk.
Aug 16, 2010 at 12:56
jamestan1978 posted:
well... trading forex is all about risk.
Yes, its about minimizing the risk and maximizing the profit. Knowledge miminizes risk.
Freedom is a paradox; To be free to play beautiful music, you have to submit to the rules of music.
